The Guardian Reports That There Is An Increasing Rise In Anti-Semitism In The Uk. Labour And It's Leader Have Been Blamed As Well As The Far Right, But Little If Anything As Pointed The Finger At The Uk's Islamic Community, Why?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/08/luciana-berger-labour-members-antisemitism

[naomi24]

//Islam is a faith of tolerence, notwithstanding its perversion by a minority who twist it to their own ends. //

You couldn't make it up ... but AH could ... and does.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // You have turned my question about why hasn't Islam been suspected for the rise in anti-Semitism in the UK, into your own support of the Islamic faith, could be interesting but not what I asked. //

I think you misinterpret what I am saying - I don't 'support' any religion, I believe they are all flawed belief systems based on the psychological need for mankind to believe in a higher power, whatever that may be, from the sun and the moon, to God, and so on.


If you believe I have not answered your question as to 'Why?' - it is because I don't believe you have produced sufficient credible evidence to back up your supposition.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // You couldn't make it up ... but AH could ... and does. //

I am entitled to my view, and accept that you constantly ridicule it.

It doesn't make either or us right - but the difference is, you scoff at me, I simply don't agree with you - that says something about us as individuals, I am sure you will agree.

[Gromit]

Your question is about the UK.

The evidence you present is about antisemitism in 8 EU countries. I am sure jewish people are regarded differently in Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia and Sweden than they are in the UK which has a long record of accepting Jewish refugees.

I tend to put down the increase in antisemism down to not more crimes happening, but more crimes being recorded. The figures used to be solely from the police. Now, Jewish groups such as Shomrim and the Community Security Trust actively seek out crimes, and their criteria for what is an antisemitic crime is pretty lax. So the figures have rocketed but nothing has really changed.

[THECORBYLOON]

What evidence do you have of Muslims in the UK being anti-Semitic?

[naomi24]

Andy-hughes, I do agree we are very different people, thankfully. For one thing I don’t enter into arguments on subjects of which I’m ignorant and I do my best to post that which can be verified. You, on the other hand, make claims that are not only unfounded – but demonstrably grossly inaccurate. That Islam is intolerant is not a matter of ‘opinion’.

[Gromit]

As for any increase being driven by muslims, there is no evidence to support it.
Inter-faith groups work very had to bring tolerance and understanding between the various religious groups in this country. The will be extremists at the fringes of all religions, but most supporters are not hostile to other religiousorders.

[Mamyalynne]

Always difficult to try and address the content of the OP when the tone has shifted, always will be.

[naomi24]

THECORBYLOON, //According to British Muslim journalist Mehdi Hasan, "anti-Semitism isn’t just tolerated in some sections of the British Muslim community; it’s routine and commonplace". A 2016 survey of 5,446 adult Britons, part of a report titled Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain that was conducted by the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research, found that the prevalence of anti-Semitic views among Muslims was two to four times higher than the rest of the population, 55% of British Muslims held at least one anti-Semitic view, and that there was a correlation between Muslim religiosity and anti-Semitism. //

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Islam#United_Kingdom

[naomi24]

Mamyalynne, how has the tone shifted? The OP is about Muslims and anti-Semitism.

I haven't fully answered the question. The finger isn't pointed at the Muslim community because society pussyfoots around the Muslim community. Social cohesion, tolerance, respect for ethnic minorities, respect for religion ... the list goes on. That's not to say the Labour Party is squeaky clean. It isn't.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // You, on the other hand, make claims … //

I think you'll find it is you who makes 'claims', I am simply offering a viewpoint. Unlike some, I don't claim to be an expert because I have 'studied' a subject.

Deep grounding in any subject is not a prerequisite for an opinion - if it were, this site would have died years ago.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // The finger isn't pointed at the Muslim community because society pussyfoots around the Muslim community. //

The media doesn't 'pussyfoot' around anything - if there was veracity to this nonsense, the tabloids would have been all over it like a rash.

[naomi24]

Andy-hughes, although you’re right in one respect – I have studied the subject – you’re wrong in another. I’ve never claimed to be an expert. You make that claim on my behalf… on a regular basis.

//The media doesn't 'pussyfoot' around anything - if there was veracity to this nonsense, the tabloids would have been all over it like a rash.//

I didn’t say ‘the media’ – I said ‘society’ – and the reason that the tabloids aren’t all over it like a rash is because ‘society’ pussyfoots around it – and the media is part of that society..

[retrocop]

Naomi
I recall there was a news blackout by the BBC for some time with regard to the mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Years Eve celebrations. The BBC German office is in the very Cologne square it actually happened apparently.

[youngmafbog]

I thought the Islamic faith hated the Jewish faith - as indeed they hate any other faith.

Perhaps that is why it is not singled out?

[youngmafbog]

Retro, the BBC dont report that sort of thing because it reflects badly on the liberal elite (of which they are very much a part) view on mass immigration rather than anything to do with a religion.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // I didn’t say ‘the media’ – I said ‘society’ – and the reason that the tabloids aren’t all over it like a rash is because ‘society’ pussyfoots around it – and the media is part of that society. //

I disagree that the media is 'part of that society' - I believe that the media delights on agitation, because it sells papers, and this would be far too easy a target to miss if it was indeed available.

We all know that the media is not beyond simply making up a prejudice to poke the bear so the fact that they have not done so here underlines the paucity of evidence, even manufactured evidence.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //We all know that the media is not beyond simply making up a prejudice to poke the bear //

Indeed ... but only if the bear is one they want to poke. Trump springs to mind - as does Tommy Robinson. Strangely enough, grooming gangs in Rotherham, Oxford, et al, weren't quite so popular.

[sanmac]

"...notwithstanding its perversion by a minority who twist it to their own ends." The are around 1,600,000,000 muslims in the world. A "small" percentage of that number is still an awful lot of muslims doing some "twisting".

[douglas9401]

That's a LOT of interest in retro dancing. Who knew?