Is No Deal Now Dead?

[ichkeria]

Or is it more can-kicking?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47373996

[gulliver1]

Having the time of my life, Ichke.

[hereIam]

grumpy at 14:27 - me neither.

[Old_Geezer]

I doubt it. The EU aren't prepared to negotiate. No one who can is inclined to put two fingers up to the naton and cancel A50; which means after the idiots who want to extend the period of uncertainty, and cause additional avoidable damage, realise it's not going their way, then many must realise that the only option left is no deal. But by then the recovery phase will have started late.

Or maybe the House will see sense and accept the honourable option before further delay. Stranger things have happened.

[jim360]

You aren't going to get what you want, and for that we can all be grateful, OG.

[Old_Geezer]

You hope.
And no, you are incorrect.

[jim360]

A bold statement, to say the least. It should have been obvious right from the start that No Deal was never going to be accepted by Parliament, for the very simple reason that it was always a moronic option. Risking the economy of the country over some sort of fantasy will never be acceptable to people whose job is, by definition, to avoid that sort of garbage.

[naomi24]

OG, you disagree with Jim, therefore your opinions, along with those of several others here, are moronic. That's you told!

[jim360]

It's hard not to feel angry with people going on about No Deal as if it is somehow a valid approach. It's manifestly not: yet more official analysis came out from the Government today that merely confirms the same picture people should have already heard by now and, if anything, makes things sound even worse.

In practice we will almost certainly never find out if No Deal would have been as bad as predicted or not. Parliament will not allow it, because they at least are capable of appreciating that economic damage on the anticipated scale is not worth countenancing. That's something to be grateful for, that it will only ever be a fantasy in the minds of a few Hard Brexiteers who will never lose faith, while the rest of us remain more pragmatic about our future and how to approach it.

[cassa333]

All we’ve had is screeching and wailing project fear.

This will happen, that will happen. Worst case scenario in every aspect. Project fear has not had much in the way of reasonableness but mostly THIS WILL (the next two words in Teeny tiny letters ) likely happen. When in fact very little of what has been said has been proved. A lot of it has been debunked and some of it is avoidable if the government had done their job properly in the first place.

Any change can and sometimes is problematic. Change is not the status quo and will inevitably have highs and lows. But that’s life. Life cannot and should not be regulated to a degree that does not allow change.

Losers should not be winners and winners should not be losers.

There is an arrogance that abounds with remainers who assert the dire nature of no deal and are pleased and gleeful at every delaying tactic. Perhaps the arrogance of project fear is to blame for the hardening of Brexiteers minds.

[naomi24]

//yet more official analysis came out from the Government today that merely confirms the same picture people should have already heard by now and, if anything, makes things sound even worse. //

Now there's a surprise ..... and yet speaking to people in the City, I hear the only thing that concerns them is uncertainty. Get over yourself, Jim. We're not all stupid.

[gulliver1]

Anyone know what the bookies are offering on the bet,? that we don't leave the EU on march 29th?.

[ichkeria]

Even if the March 12 vote goes the way of Brexit, it’s most unlikely the actual leave date will stay at March 29 as there will be bits of legislation that need passing and I doubt there’s the time. So the actual date itself is probably symbolic.

[dannyk13]

If May's deal is passed by the House of Commons then we willleave on March 29th.

[ichkeria]

We will leave but by then I doubt if anyone will care if it slips a few days.

[gulliver1]

OK Ichke ,off to the bookies then later.

[youngmafbog]

If there is no deal there will be no Tory or Labour Government. They will both be ripped apart by the voters.

Most likely we will see a 'Macron' emerging.

If Treason wants her name against that in the history books then so be it.

[ichkeria]

If there’s no deal the parties will rip themselves apart.

A poll had TIG at 18 per cent which while in a sense meaningless is nonetheless a hopeful sign

[youngmafbog]

That is 18% before anything has happened.

No deal will be a blood bath for the two main parties. They could even see themselves wiped into oblivion as a worst case after all what have people got to loose if we have surrendered to the EU Lords and masters?

[ichkeria]

It depends what you mean by “no deal”: leave with “no deal” and the parties will both split ( I honestly don’t think we will)

“No Brexit” because existing deal not approved, largely by many Brexiters, well who knows: a lot of people shout very loudly but they are not a majority or even necessarily very numerous.
What happens then would would be hard to say. The poison and the rancour engendered over the last 3 years will take a long time to heal.

[ichkeria]

Both Dominic Grieve and Peter Bone on Newsnight last night agreed that if there’d still be stalemate by the end of a June deadline there’d have to be a general election. The European elections are in May I think.