Can We Put Our Heads Together And Suggest How To Deal With The Knife Situation?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47440487
No doubt this will soon descend into a political slanging match but what I'm looking for here is outside the box ideas and suggestions, maybe other countries have schemes. It just seems that the powers that be are completely stumped by this.

[ummmm]

A lot of these gangs develop in sink estates so it's a lot to do with peer pressure. It only takes a couple of dodgy teens to intimidate others.

[retrocop]

Spath
As Sqad wrote earlier. Most of these knife gang members are black.It is a known fact in the UK and US that alot of black kids have absentee fathers and a single mother struggling to bring up the brood by fair means or foul.
It appears, more often than not, that the remaining parent only shows so much concern and grief when their kids are on a mortuary slab. The former President Obama and David Cameron both agreed some years back that alot of the problem was no decent role model in the family.

[retrocop]

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This article is 11 years old and nothing has changed except a massive increase in Black Gang murders.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/the-black-father-crisis-cameron-backed-by-black-mums-and-organisations-6866612.html

[hereIam]

Too late now, these thugs have 'right's and don't they know it !! We slipped down that rocky slope a long time ago when they knew they could no longer be punished. I remember a few years ago when my friend's then 16 year old son who was a right yob, was clipped around the ear'ole by his Gran for bad mouthing and being vile yet again to his long suffering Mum. He called the police on her for assault and luckily the policeman who came was a lovely, sensible chap and read the yob the riot act for wasting his time and gave him a brilliant lecture on how he should behave in future and not report his tiny, little Gran to the police. It didn't work sadly, he just got worse, but by then it was far too late anyway as he was fully aware of his 'rights'!! I fully agree with Sqad's earlier post.

[spathiphyllum]

It's called street smarts / awarness. You'd know if your kid was in the wrong crowd. I was honest with my parents about where i went and what i did i think it's obvious when kids / teens have something to hide and it's obvious if they're capable of stabbing someone. Street vibes something some people may have never experienced.

[spathiphyllum]

Retro as a cop i'm sure you have experienced what i'm referring to

[Old_Geezer]

One doesn't need to be parenting to know what the job must achieve. In fact knowing what the job must achieve is an excellent reason for not taking the job on.

Instilling a decent moral code when young is a prerequisite to maximising the chances of your offspring not going off the rails. Ultimately it is the culture that needs to change and it is the older generation that guides the next.

It probably needs peer guidance, where those with recent experience yet still young enough to hold kids respect, give talks and make younger kids rethink what is sensible to get involved with/in.

Meanwhile it needs resources put into checking and monitoring the streets. Catching offenders is considerably more effective in deterrence than large penalties in the unlikely event someone else gets caught.

[spathiphyllum]

"The former President Obama and David Cameron both agreed some years back that alot of the problem was no decent role model in the family."

Proves correct parenting will sort the issue then, if lack of parent / role model is causing the issue

[david small]

What to do about the situation today? Threats won’t work, incarceration temporarily postpone repeat offenders.
Lock em up, beat them, or....educate them, teach them morals, give them responsibility to improve themselves.
Too late? Probably. We reap what we sew.

[Theland]

Different prison regime, not time off for good behaviour, time added on for bad behaviour, more cops on the street, massive Stop & Search, 5 years for knife possession, 50 years for murder, 20 years for manslaughter, more and very austere prisons, no visits, no priveleges whatsoever, advertise widely in schools the consequences.

[spathiphyllum]

Wouldn’t work. People don’t do crime on the basis they may get caught can imagine knofe crime a in the moment retaliation or what not. So best way is to gst knifes off streets in first place

[Theland]

The almost certainty of being brought to justice, and facing a massively long sentence?
THAT would deter!

[Canary42]

A wise question, specifically asking for thinking outside the box - what do we get - a significant number of the usual knee-jerk solutions which have persistently failed to solve the problem.

I admire your intentions TTT, I wish something positive could come out of it.

[ummmm]

You don't time off for good behaviour,

[TonyV]

Ive got no idea as to it being reported more or getting worse, program on ch4 tonight at 8pm about it.

[New Judge]

"You don't time off for good behaviour,"

Indeed you don't. You don't need to behave yourself in prison because all prisoners sentenced to determinate sentences are automatically released after serving half of their sentence. In addition to that almost all those sentenced to four years or less are eligible for release under "Home Detention Curfew". This sees them eligible for release after serving 25% of their sentence (subject to a minimum service of 28 days), spending the second quarter of their sentence outside prison and subject to a night-time curfew.

[TonyV]

one problem is that prisons are overcrowded and no spaces left

[retrocop]

I just heard a Met Police Senior officer on Global News, LBC stating that thousands of stop and search have been conducted in the last year since it has been reintroduced. He states that thousands of knives have been recovered. Proof indeed that the do gooders who bent over backwards to continually appease the likes of the late Bernie Grant and the idiot Abbot in the name of diversity were as usual wrong.
Yep . The police were told to ease off and the butcher's bill increases.
Reap what you sew. Leave those in law enforcement to conduct their job the way they know best and ignore the soft left wingers whose experiment in softly softly policing has backfired for the very community who initially complained about stereotyping their kids and now complain enough is not being done.Their kids are the problem and they are incapable of taking resposibility for their actions. It's always someone elses fault and useful idiots listen to them.

[wolf63]

The problem is complicated but as TTT the solution may be found by thinking outside the box.

If the knife crimes are mainly caused by young black males is this because of:-

• lack of a male role model?
• The fact that there are many more young black males these days as a percentage of the population than, say, twenty years ago?
• Has the population of the UK increased greatly over time?
• Can the police train dogs to sniff out knives to ensure that they are not taken into major events? (I don’t know if this can be done, but those dogs are much smarter than the knife carrying thugs).
• Some carry knives so that they look hard and vicious, some carry to fit in with the pack and some carry a knife because they are terrified of all the other knife carriers.
• More police officers, police dogs, youth clubs etc will help.
• Work out why girls don’t tend to carry knives – can their influence over the thugs be used to our advantage?

I am sure that the police have thought of all this – and have still failed to win the battle.

[Ellipsis]

I think you get 7 years for carrying a loaded firearm. That needs to be increased to at least 10 years. Then knives need to be added to that legislation, so you get 10 years for carrying a knife.

I know some people have to carry knives about for their jobs. Maybe they should be licensed, but really ... I think the average PC, perhaps with the aid of a phone call, is capable of distinguishing a chef on his way to work from a gang hanging around in a park.