Well We Can All Stop Blaming The Governement Now The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum...

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47701591
What will our fate be?

[-Talbot-]

The government are lunatics... only surpassed by the opposition

[fiction-factory]

That's meaningless, AG. We had no strong negotiating position other than to walk away with no deal- an MPs don't want that.

[jim360]

"Brexit is a process rather than an event," said Jacob Rees-Mogg this morning, as he hints that he will vote for May's Withdrawal Agreement after all.


https://www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2019/03/the-moggcast-deal-or-no-brexit-becomes-the-choice-eventually-mays-deal-is-better-than-not-leaving-at-all.html

[Bigbad]

“MP’s don’t want that”.
And here lies the problem.
Most MP’s have long since forgotten that it’s not about what they want.
I said ages ago that this has been made far more difficult than it needed to be, and that we would probably get sold down the river.
I haven’t changed my opinion.

As far as I’m aware, the point of a vote is to see what the majority want, whether it’s a family ‘shall we have a takeaway and a DVD tonight, or a meal out and go to the cinema’ trivial type of question, or an election or a referendum, and it should be that what the majority want, no matter how small that majority, is the one to be acted on.

Right from the start, Mrs. May has tried to take into account the wishes of remainers and the EU too.
The remainers lost, and who cares what the EU wants? We voted to leave them, so their wishes shouldn’t come into it.

It was the PM of my parents generation who took us into The Common Market, and my parents generation who voted to stay. Now I want to spend the latter part of my life seeing if it’s better living without the overblown undemocratic body that the Common Market became.
I believe it will, and if I’m wrong, then my children's generation can do something about it in the future.

[Gromit]

// We can Stop Blaming The Governement Now //

We can still blame the Government, and more specifically Theresa May for the utter shambles of the process so far, and the outcome of no options available.

She has gone into negotions with the EU not to get the best outcome for the Country, but to get the best outcome to save the Conservative Party.

I doubt any consencous will come out of Wednesdays votes (and possibly next Monday) so May can have one more go at getting her rotten deal approved.

[ichkeria]

Well we were told voting for Brexit would mean our parliament “taking back control” so you should be pleased :-)

[ichkeria]

Just to point out for the zillionth time: there will not be any Brexit “riots”.
Not that there aren’t a few unscrupulous people who care nothing for Brexit who would love a bit of a scrap.

[gulliver1]

So we ain't leaving the E/U ,AT 11.PM on the 29th of March then.?
Just asking so I can arrange the Street Party, and collect my winnings.

[fiction-factory]

I agree there will not be riots. There will be a large number of disaffected voters who may decide to boycott the next election, but I think there will be more who will be glad just to see an end to all this, regardless of the outcome

[jim360]

// Right from the start, Mrs. May has tried to take into account the wishes of remainers and the EU too.
The remainers lost, and who cares what the EU wants? We voted to leave them, so their wishes shouldn’t come into it. //

Quite apart from the fact that the first sentence is simply wrong -- May took no regard of the Remainers whatsoever, and set a bunch of "red lines" that were all to do with what Leavers wanted -- the second is bizarre. You should care about what Remainers want because they form around half the country (not to mention around 3/4 of Parliament). You should care about what the EU wants because there is no future in which we will not have to deal with them quite extensively.

[Ken4155]

My social circle isn't a particularly large one, yet I know scores of people - Brexiteers and Remainers - who will never vote again should Brexit not happen. And i suspect that is true in many areas of the country.

[BagPussAA]

TTT there is no way that we could remain either. The country would be up in arms if that happened. We had a referendum and we voted , as a country, to leave the EU(personally I voted to remain) . If the government then went against the will of the people, there would be chaos.. democracy would officially be dead.

[Old_Geezer]

Deal or no Brexit becomes the only options, only if government abandons other options deliberately, forces those two alone, and admits that they are not interested in democracy and treats it and the rest of us with disdain. It's difficult to see why a government would decide to deliberately cast off all trust in our present system just to spite the people, so one must assume claiming it is so must be some tactic to a different end.

There is no excuse to vote for the anti-Brexit deal just on a promise May will step down. It doesn't change the deal; so anyone voting for it will have opted to thwart Brexit for their own reasons. Any MP claiming to be Brexiteer who does do will have turned into a Remainer. But hints are two a penny, especially in a dirty world such as politics.

[Old_Geezer]

Voting for Brexit would mean our nation “taking back control”. The flaws at Westminster and MPs' attitudes can be tackled after it occurs. But before, those flaws are causing much of the problem.

[naomi24]

//May took no regard of the Remainers whatsoever//

Rubbish! She's a Remainer. If she took no regard of the Remainers she wouldn't have come back with a deal that ties us to the EU!

[jno]

perhaps the nation shouldn't have democratically voted for all these horrid MPs then? A more nuanced electoral system than first-past-the-post might have given them something more like the government they wish they had - but they voted democratically not to have one.

[Old_Geezer]

The problem is with the candidates not FPTP. If all we have to vote for is unacceptable one has no good option anyway.

[jim360]

// There is no excuse to vote for the anti-Brexit deal just on a promise May will step down. It doesn't change the deal; so anyone voting for it will have opted to thwart Brexit for their own reasons. //

In that, at least, I agree with OG. But Naomi, my point is that the nature of the deal owes a lot to Theresa May's own red lines, which in turn were entirely due to what Brexiters wanted. The deal that has resulted is nothing to do, at any stage, with what Remain supporters will have wanted -- which is why so many of them hate it.

[jim360]

It's also worth mentioning that the deal that May brought back does, eventually, see the UK leaving the EU. If it takes longer than you wanted then that's in part because *any* means of leaving the EU would, in reality, not have been quick. Even a "No Deal" exit doesn't solve that problem, because No Deal cannot be a destination.

In other words, as Jacob Rees-Mogg has finally realised but as most Remain supporters had already said, over and over again, leaving the EU is a process not an event. It's staggering that he took three years to realise this, and even more amazing to see OG call him a "Remainer" as a result.

[Gromit]

The public vote is constantly changing.
In 2005 it voted Labour. In 2010 it vote Conservative. In 2015 it voted a Conservative Majority, and in 2017 it did not.
A Brexit deal has taken a long time to work out, and unfortunately it is completely rotten. If there was a public vote on it, I doubt many people would support it.
It seems reckless to push ahead with a deal that the public would reject, because the public voted for something else 3 years ago.