Oh The Irony!

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/the-parents-who-say-their-kids-are-being-indoctrinated-by-uk-schools-11720871
Muslim parents complaining of indoctrination! they'd know!

[Sqad]

Ludwig.......correct except that the two schools involved are 99% Muslim........;-)

[dannyk13]

Ludwig, respect for ones religion should apply both in and out of school.Your attitude is abhorrent to me.

[pixie374]

Is there any reason why religious beliefs should be more respected than any other beliefs? Schools should be educating, not pandering to the irrational.

[naomi24]

danny, //Ludwig, respect for ones religion should apply both in and out of school.Your attitude is abhorrent to me.//

Perhaps you should think about what you're saying. Do you respect all of what the religious believe?

[Sqad]

pixie.....

"Is there any reason why religious beliefs should be more respected than any other beliefs? "

But in this case the parents are saying:

"is there any reason why religious beliefs should be DISRESPECTED than any other beliefs."

[pixie374]

They aren't being disrespected, sqad. It's about education, not religion.

[dannyk13]

Naomi, I respect the right of people to practice their religion, I do not have to believe in that religion to show that respect.

[Sqad]

You may be right pixie....but the Muslim parents wouldn't agree with you.

[pixie374]

I'm sure... but any religion which claims to be against telling children the truth that different people exist, probably needs to think again.

[naomi24]

danny, and other people don't have to think similarly. Should their right to their beliefs not be equally respected? Personally, I can't respect a religion, aspects of which are, to use your term, 'abhorrent' to me, and I don't believe that anyone has the right to tell me I should.

[dannyk13]

Naomi, there is a difference between you ,as a lay person, and someone who is a position to influence young minds.

[ludwig]

// Ludwig, respect for ones religion should apply both in and out of school //

Respecting a religion means recognising people's right to believe and practice it. It doesn't mean letting it dictate the agenda or life of those that don't follow it as well as those do.

The religious need to respect the right of people who don't share their religion to completely ignore the teachings of that religion and get on with their life as they see fit.

[pixie374]

Surely that is the whole point, Danny? People can believe and practise whatever religion they want, if it is not affecting anyone else, but this is disrupting children's education of facts.

[dannyk13]

Ludwig //Respecting a religion means recognising people's right to believe and practice it//
Exactly, which is what the teachers should be doing, not teaching something that is against that religion.

[Sqad]

Well pixie....all good points you make, but the situation will inevitably arise that children will be told one thing by their religion and another thing that is factually correct but in direct opposition to your upbringing and beliefs.
Do you believe that is an issue that children under the age of 8 should have to deal with?

[ludwig]

//...but this is disrupting children's education of facts. //

Exactly, should we respect the beliefs of creationists by removing any mention of dinosaurs or evolution from the curriculum?

[retrocop]

I believe Mr Moffat is opening up a can of worms here and might dig himself deep in trouble with the Moslem community.
How does he or his staff answer little Ishmail or Jasmine if they say, "My Daddy says that our Holy prophet ,Insala, says in our holy Quran that the people you are teaching us about are an abomination and should burn in hell"
Does Mr Moffat contradict the child's parents and their religion and dimiss their Holy prophet. If he does then I can see the child and others whipped out the school and tucked away in some illegal Madrasa which is just what should be avoided.
I don't respect the religion personally but the school has no right to teach contrary to their beliefs that homosexuality is normal.

[dannyk13]

Ludwig, you are now into the realm of being ridiculous. This conversation is now over.

[dannyk13]

Precisely Retro.

[ludwig]

// ...the situation will inevitably arise that children will be told one thing by their religion and another thing that is factually correct but in direct opposition to your upbringing and beliefs.
Do you believe that is an issue that children under the age of 8 should have to deal with? //

Probably not Sqad, but until we can find a way to stop parents indoctrinating their kids with anachronistic religious nonsense, that situation will continue to arise.