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spathiphyllum | 16:10 Thu 16th May 2019 | News
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Can't say I see you derailing anything. We're just in disagreement. And if that were cause for threads derailing then every time we both posted in a thread it would be deleted!
I disagree. :-)
Banned. :O

Tbh, I really don't care what the Banjo Pluckers do, unless it has a roll-on effect.
Alabama....
"Alabama, you got the weight on your shoulders
That's breaking your back
Your Cadillac has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track"
Neil Young.

Now remind me again. Do you know which "ethnic" group is subject to the most abortions in Alabama? What do you think would have been the reaction in.....say......the 60s if it was advocated that this abortion trend, amongst the perceived victims of social injustice, had been encouraged and recommended?

Heartbeat why do you miss when my baby kisses me?
Buddy Holly
You should care about what 'Banjo Pluckers' do though. this si Trump heartland, aren't all the Brexiteers always banging on about our special relationship with the US. First Georgia where I am (which actually is WORSE than Alabama because it seeks to criminalise women who travel out of state for abortions and potentially charge them with murder), Alabama and Missouri then this kind of horse dung is normalised and we're right back in the 60's and it will spread like wildfire in our efforts to ally ourselves with the US. Distaterous for all concerned.
Why stop at abortion by choice, for any reason, when the child is formed and viable? Why not then move it on to abortion on someone else's say so? We have seen how the libtard movements "ethical policies" always have mission creep consequences haven't we? Why not move it on to compulsory sterilisation? The people who decide will of course have your best interests at heart won't they?
So you'd be perfectly happy with your daughter being charged with murder and sentenced to life imprisonment if her uncle raped her and she went out of State for an abortion? There is something drastically wrong with a girl's punishment for an abortion being higher than her rapists for raping her, and anyone who doesn't think so wants their heads examining frankly.
I don't understand what you are saying, togo?
//So you'd be perfectly happy with your daughter being charged with murder and sentenced to life imprisonment if her uncle raped her and she went out of State for an abortion?//

So? Another so.
Not at all.....I would however be happy with the "uncle" being castrated and the child taken into care(by a Liberal). The "daughter" should then be entitled to government help and care with a criminal compensation payout to ensure that she can make the best of the rest of her life. I cannot see how murdering the child due to a conception beyond it's control, or understanding, is the humane way to resolve your made up scenario.
It isn't "murder" togo. You are making it sound as though a pregnancy, birth, etc has little effect on a woman. You cannot use a human as a life support machine for a foetus that cannot survive without it. Neither do we desperately need more unwanted children in the world with a messed-up start.
Yes but that isn't what is being proposed Togo- what is being proposed is the rape victim being charged with murder- my question is are you okay with that- forget all your other bluster. Are you okay with a girl who has been raped being charged with murder for not wanting to carry her rapists baby?
It would be the rapist charged, surely, for creating an unwanted baby? His choice, his responsibility.
In Georgia the proposal is that if a woman goes out of state for an abortion ( for any reason, rape, incest etc) she is liable to be charged.

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-30-years-prison-miscarriage-georgia-abortion-2019-5
It is, but it makes no sense, cal... one day these embryos maybe can be implanted into the men who want them so much and they can carry on. Until then, not their decision.
How many girls have been charged with murder after having abortions, or are liable to be charged with murder if they do so? How many of the 330,00 abortions carried out in pro abortion states were because the pregnancies were caused by rape? If the women of America are in favour of abortion to order how many of them are willing to have themselves sterilised? Do you feel that it would be a good idea if the decision to have long term foetal abortions was decided by someone other than the pregnant woman?
Nobody else can decide, Togo. How could they? I still genuinely don't understand what your point is. Sorry.
//How many of the 330,00 abortions carried out in pro abortion states were because the pregnancies were caused by rape?//

I don;t know Togo. And neither do you. And does anyone other than the women concerned.
//what is being proposed is the rape victim being charged with murder- //

Really, who told you that? Whoever it was is playing your heartstrings and not getting a very good tune.

//Georgia’s new Living Infants Fairness and Equality (LIFE) Act prohibits abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detected, but it will not imprison women who have abortions or miscarriages. Hollywood celebrities like Alyssa Milano and other columnists have spread misinformation about Georgia’s new law. The legislation bans abortions once the fetal heartbeat is detected, usually at six or seven weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is endangered.
David French at National Review explained how the thinking of many pro-abortion rights individuals is “fundamentally wrong”:
“The heartbeat bill did not repeal a number of Georgia criminal statutes that explicitly apply to abortions and unborn children, and it does not overrule controlling legal authority holding that these statutes bar prosecution of a woman for terminating her own pregnancy,” he wrote, walking through some of the key statutes that apply to unlawful abortions:

(This bit is important)!!

If a person performs an abortion in violation of the heartbeat bill, then Code Section 16-12-140 applies. It does not impose life imprisonment on anybody, and Georgia courts have held that it does not apply to a woman who self-terminates, only to third parties who perform an abortion.

[T]he Georgia code section that criminalizes “feticide” (such as when a man attacks a woman for the purpose of killing her unborn baby) specifically states that “nothing in this Code section shall be construed to permit the prosecution of . . . any woman with respect to her unborn child.”
“Taken together, these statutes mean that a woman cannot be prosecuted either for aborting her own baby or committing feticide,” French concluded, adding that the Washington Post also fact-checked claims that the Georgia bill criminalized women who terminated their own pregnancies and found them to be “incorrect.”
“Georgia law is clear,” he wrote. “While abortionists can be prosecuted for performing unlawful abortions — and an attacker can spend the rest of his life in jail for killing a woman’s unborn child — Georgia’s heartbeat bill cannot be used to prosecute a woman for ending her own pregnancy//

Can you understand that? Or is it not clear enough?

//I don;t know Togo. And neither do you//

Go on then have a guess. 1%? 2%? 75%? You don't want to know. You just want to use a tiny number to justify wholesale slaughter if innocent lives.

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