I Don't Usually Believe In Capital Punishment, But In This Case There Is A Danger I Might Align With Ttt Again

[Canary42]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48395031

[youngmafbog]

Some people are just sick, the rope is the only answer.

[spathiphyllum]

Capital punishment is barbaric in the sense that it's primitive and unsophisticated.

[dannyk13]

If they won't bring back the death penalty i'd settle for a real life turn in solitary.

[ludwig]

I hope he is made to suffer in prison. He won't be in there long enough, that's for sure.

[Prudie]

They are both pointless scum, lock them up for ever

[youngmafbog]

Better to let them out after a couple of years to do it again then Spath?

[youngmafbog]

Danny, I am with you on that.

Unfortunately there is always some do-gooder who bleats on about their 'ooman rights coupled with a pathetic Justice System and useless Parole boards.

[spathiphyllum]

"Better to let them out after a couple of years to do it again then Spath?"

No.

[spathiphyllum]

Probably just as bad though. Life in prison - simple in my mind.

You have people in prison when they aren't a danger to society. Get those out put people like this in for life.

[Eleena]

“Pointless scum” ... sums them up Prudie

[bhg481]

When people are released from prison "early" on parole/licence, someone must have signed a document approving the release. I think if that person were held responsible if the released prisoner commits a crime in the period before the original release date, then there would be far fewer criminals released early.

[Gladeian]

I find it difficult to come to terms with the people whose views of the death penalty are that it does not deter heinous crime. I would wonder whether their opinions would change if one of their loved ones was subjected to a vile crime. The fact is that having shown a propensity for homicidal harm or vile sexual offences these people should be executed to stop them ever doing similar again - never mind deterring others, which, if it did so would be an additional benefit.

[Calicogirl]

I'm still reeling from the fact that this pitiful excuse for a man had already assaulted the little girl two months previously and was not in prison for that. Such a list of failures. Why would his girlfriend leave her God daughter with a man she knew had assaulted her seriously already? Why was she even still with him at all, what woman lives with a man who beats small children? Why would the child's mother leave her little girl with her friend knowing she had such questionable decision making? I struggle to not wish the utmost ill on this individual and yeah he would be no loss to society, that's assured, but do I believe in capital punishment generally, no I don't and cases like this, strong indicators though they are for it's return, do not outweigh the negatives overall. Poor little girl :( x

[Prudie]

I wondered exactly the same CG, seems unbelievable and the mother is not innocent if those are the facts.

[New Judge]

"Why was she even still with him at all, what woman lives with a man who beats small children?"

You need to understand, calico, that women who live with perpetrators of domestic violence and child abuse do not think rationally. You can gain a small insight into this if you visit your local Magistrates' Court on "Domestic Violence" day (most courts having dedicated days with specialist prosecutors and probation officials in attendance). To listen to some of the stories is pitiful. But even more pitiful than that is the behaviour of some of the women victims involved. Prosecutors often have great difficulty getting them to co-operate with prosecutions (so much so that the CPS now has a policy of pursuing charges without the victims' consent as far as possible). They are reluctant to attend as witnesses (their men never have the good grace to plead guilty. They prefer to put them through the stress of having to appear in court and many of them simply don't). The tales that are heard usually amount to "I love him and he loves me really. I can't bear the thought of him going to prison" (often said from behind black eyes and broken teeth).

A victim of domestic violence has suffered an average of around fifteen assaults before the police are involved. They always believe "he will change". He certainly does - he gets worse. You cannot baffle them with these facts that's why it's hopeless trying to rationalise their behaviour.

I will add for completeness that I have only mentioned violence upon women by men. This accounts for around 80% of DV. The rest is either same sex violence or women upon men.

[Calicogirl]

Yes I know NJ it was more a rhetorical question than anything. Tragic though it is, the little girl's mother was somewhat separate from the situation and should have known better than to leave her child with her questionable friend and her violent boyfriend.

[ToraToraTora]

bung them in a normal jail for life, and I mean life, not TROB version and leave it to the other prisoners to obtain justice.

[anneasquith]

Was he convicted of the previous assault ? If not why not ?

[Dodger666]

If convicted murderers did get the death penalty it would at least create spaces for other convicted criminals to get custodial sentences rather than suspended sentences.
It might also encourage some of them not to commit murder in the first place.

[spathiphyllum]

I think this brigade is all in your head Tora.