Another Victim Of The Thought Police?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48526656
//The writer said that, as a gay man, he has "rejected restrictive cultural gender stereotypes for "as long as I can remember", but does not believe in gender identity.
"It is impossible for a person to change their biological sex. I don't believe anybody is born in the wrong body," he said.// - bang on.

[pixie374]

It is- a problem with body mapping, like with anorexia.

[pixie374]

14:58 spath. That isn't deep, it's claptrap. Your biological sex does not change, no matter what your psychology is. Nobody cares what "gender" you are. It is part of your personality and no more relevant than saying "I feel happy". We just don't need to know, present how you like, but don't pretend it has changed your sex.0

[spathiphyllum]

Yes, i agree. It is a mental disorder.

So... does the mind not fit in the body, or the body not for the mind?

They would argue the body doesn't fit their mind / soul. I'd argue that with them, to be honest.

[spathiphyllum]

"present how you like, but don't pretend it has changed your sex."

In their mind, their sex has never "changed"... it just hasn't fit their body.

[pixie374]

Your sex always fits your body. Your sex chromosome is 50% of you. The genitals you get are just a symptom of what sex you are (and nearly always an accurate guide) but they aren't the "cause".
Nobody can honestly say that they "feel" like the opposite sex, because they blatantly don't know and can only guess that by stereotypes and observation.
If you are male, you identify as a man. There is no choice. It might not be a stereotypical man- but who is?

[spathiphyllum]

I can't get into this "sex" "gender" confusion.

[spathiphyllum]

"If you are male, you identify as a man. There is no choice. "

Pixie you can't talk about feelings you've never felt. There is a choice, it's called transgender.

[spathiphyllum]

the definition is :

"denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex."

[spathiphyllum]

which takes me back to my point at 15:01 Thu 06th Jun 2019

[pixie374]

I can see you are confused, spath, but you are too busy talking to actually research anything.
I understand the definition of "stereotype" thanks, but that is not relevant here. Wearing a dress, heels, makeup, is not innately female.

[spathiphyllum]

OK i'm going to leave the discussion now. Thank you for your time.

[pixie374]

Everyone is "transgender" sometimes, by that definition. It only depends on society's expectations. Anyone who is homosexual or has ever cooked while wearing trousers is literally "transgender". Spath, do you personally, only ever do stereotypical male activities and behaviour?

[pixie374]

Ok... thanks to you too x

[vetuste_ennemi]

I think Spath's decision will be a positive contribution to the quality of debate.

[pixie374]

Tbh, I'm sure spath is saying what many people think and I admire his courage (genuinely) in spite of the facts.

[spathiphyllum]

will not leave you hanging for an answer, so i shall respond to your question before i depart..

"Spath, do you personally, only ever do stereotypical male activities and behaviour?"

No. I personally can be quite feminine, but also quite masculine. Bit of both. I do not see roles that specifically suit men or women. I think either could do eithers job perfectly fine.

[pixie374]

Me too, spath. I just wouldn't consider you any "less male" for doing so. But thanks for your reply xx

[vetuste_ennemi]

Talking about gardeners and sexual stereotypes:

"When Adam delved and Eve span who was then the gentleman?".


That question was asked by the singularly named John Ball.

[spathiphyllum]

It would be better if society had more of an omnisexuality ideology in my personal opinion.

[spathiphyllum]

Well V_E the thing is being a "gentleman" is a total human and society concept. Similar to male and female.