Should Detained Migrant Children Be At Least Allowed To Sleep?

[jim360]

Let's just start by trying to set one thing aside: the ultimate fate of migrants to the US, whether they should be allowed to stay or not, should really be neither here nor there when it comes to this story. Nor is this entirely an anti-Trump thread: although it is the Trump administration involved, this story dates back as far as the Obama era.

Instead, what matters here is what happens in between their arrival (and subsequent detention) and resolution of their cases. Can anyone seriously argue that, as long as the children concerned are in the State's care, they should be kept in at least passably sanitary conditions? And, if not, why not?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/nation/article/Judges-differ-with-Trump-administration-on-14016372.php

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/21/detained-migrant-children-no-toothbrush-soap-sleep/?noredirect=on *

*You may need a US-based VPN to read the Washington Post article.

[10ClarionSt]

Was it an ad for a credit card?

[Old_Geezer]

The conditions do seem unsatisfactory.

But one wonders how many hours it should take to return an illegal immigrant back across the border anyway.

[sevenOP]

O_G,
"It is worth noting that Mr Trump's chief of staff John Kelly - who previously served as the head of Homeland Security - said in 2017 that the White House was considering separating families as a means of deterring parents from trying to cross the border...Fact-checkers say that the only thing that has changed is the Justice Department's decision to criminally prosecute parents for a first-time border crossing offence. Because their children are not charged with a crime, they are not permitted to be jailed together."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44503514

[Peter Pedant]

// migrants to the US, whether they should be allowed to stay or not, //

whenever you hear intoned - give me your huddled masses, (words on the bottom of the statue of yes that is right - Liberty )
arent you inclined to laugh ?

[Peter Pedant]

// It matters when the poster is smearing Trump with the accusation of cruelty, Mamya.//

( another post - my comment is that I cant comment because this week end I cant read)

you know there are films about men with two brains ?
I seriously think AB has a population of aliens with NO brains at all !

( and yet they walk and talk etc )

[Spicerack]

Even AOC's Trump hating former friends can see she's a total idiot.

[Togo]

Is that the woman who is pro, nearly full term pregnancy, for American children, but at the same time pro state care and a life of benefits for illegal immigrant families? Funny old World.

[Spicerack]

https://700wlw.iheart.com/featured/eddie-rocky/content/2019-05-14-video-8-year-old-mini-aoc/

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// Pick holes on the source and what you see as a swipe at Donald. ///

One doesn't need to go to SpecSavers to see this is just another swipe at Donald.

[sevenOP]

Trump Towers this ain't

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9lw_A9WwAArLj_?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9l_HNMW4AIPw1K?format=jpg&name=small

[Spicerack]

Ain't Auschwitz either.

[ToraToraTora]

cleverjo: "How can people vote for Trump? It’s beyond reason. " - the current law in this area was enacted under Obama.

[ToraToraTora]

from wikipedia: "On November 21, 2014, president Barack Obama signed two executive actions which had the effect of delaying deportation for millions of illegal immigrants. The orders apply to parents of United States citizens (Deferred Action for Parents of Americans) and young people brought into the country illegally (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals)." - so Blame Obama for this situation. If Trump did anything different you'd be moaning that he's ignoring the Obama executive actions.

[Old_Geezer]

Sounds to me like different legislation not taking account of the effect of other legislation, and the consequences. If the children have been separated, which I think is a bad thing, then, as the children have committed no crime, the State has effectively taken over responsibility for their welfare, and it seems it is not achieving that.

[jim360]

AOG:

// One doesn't need to go to SpecSavers to see this is just another swipe at Donald. //

Perhaps you should re-read the original post, then. This is about US treatment of detained children going back years if not decades. Trump is only the latest to either ignore or defend the barbaric treatment of children.

[KARL]

I am a bit puzzled: A UK forum/site invites (UK) people to comment on the treatment of children in the USA. The result is that the (UK) people taking part in the discussion almost entirely limit themselves to discussing whether Donald Trump is good or bad - the children and their treatment hardly comes into it.

Allow me to say that I agree with the very limited mention/comment on the treatment - it is shameful, no matter who allows it to continue. Since it is instigated and controlled by the USA government, they must be answerable.

[ToraToraTora]

Karl the Trumpophobes are using a situation created by his predecessor to bash him, I think that needs balancing.

[jim360]

Trump and his crew are being bashed, but given that they are actively defending this practice it's not unjustified. As I noted in my OP this goes back possibly decades, but all that means is that Trump is as bad as the rest of them in perpetuating this treatment -- and, for that matter, for extending it. If anything you'd have thought that he would have jumped at the chance to condemn an Obama-era practice and reverse it.

But it does go deeper than Trump, being one of many long-term stains on the US.