Election Of A Future L O T O?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48770368
With the Lib NonDems in a resurgent position as the natural party for remainers and Labour ever more un clear of their position and riddled with hard left and anti Semitic extremists, could the Lib NonDems replace them as the official opposition in the years to the next GE in 2022?

[naomi24]

Jim, the original vote – two options.

A general election, umpteen options.

Yes, you’re spinning.

[jim360]

I'm bored of your utterly misplaced accusations. Find something new and interesting to say.

[naomi24]

I respond to your words, Jim. Nothing more.

[spathiphyllum]

Jim didn't spin. He writes something so clearly and just because you try to undermined it, doesn't mean you succeeded. Everyone can read, and it's there to stay.
Some very odd attitude.

[spathiphyllum]

No, you respond to Jim, not his words. If you responded to his words, it wouldn't be a futile discussion, where you talk with insight and hidden meaning. Say it how it is, this bush beating is bait.

[Peter Pedant]

// You have a silver tongue TTT, and a way with words like no-one else. I will vote Labour.//

yeah agree - good example of the headline ( electing a leader of the opposition ) has nothing to do with the 'question' / text - will there be a resurgence of the lib Dems

heigh ho as Nigh says - Ab on a sunny afternoon

[naomi24]

spath, //Everyone can read, and it's there to stay. //

Absolutely! And so it should be.

[Peter Pedant]

// If you [free-tee] responded to his (jimz) words,//
then you would learn something

Jim is a theoretical physicist ( 3T fear-rettical ?) yeah one of dem
Hi Jim !

[cassa333]

It’s not party shifting or blame shifting. You can’t shift the blame to those that cause the trouble because it’s firmly in their lap. And as it’s the hard left extremists that have caused the problems there is no shifting involved.

It’s only those doing the complaining that try to shift. It’s a back covering exercise.

Which bit of that don’t you understand Spath?

[spathiphyllum]

I often see Jim construct a decent argument or point, only to be shut down by an uneducated sometimes unrelated patronising comment which doesn't add to the discussion or even raise the points Jim does. either discuss and explain how he's wrong or leave him to add to the thread. Comments like "stop, you're spinning" is futile and leaves traces of contentiousness.

[Jackdaw33]

To get back to the OP and avoid 'traces of contentiousness' (what a strange phrase) I predict that Corbyn will be gone by the next election. His replacement will be from the right of the party who will wreak revenge. The wilderness awaits McDonnell, Abbot (Ph.D. pure mathematics) and the rest of the motley crew. As to the Libs supplanting Labour as the main opposition, please! After a spell in hospital I now have to wear a catheter and I don't want to split the bag laughing my socks off.

[naomi24]

Spath, Jim said // If the Lib Dems win a democratic election then their policies will have been endorsed by the people, democratically. Which makes it democratic.//

Now replace ‘Lib Dems’ with Brexit Party – or even a ‘Leave the EU’ majority vote…and ask Jim if the same criteria, in his estimation, applies. Not to worry about asking. We know it doesn’t. He's made that abundantly clear.

I rest my case..

Jackdaw, I also suspect we're seeing the beginning of the end for Corbyn. I think many would like him out before the next election.

[spathiphyllum]

"and ask Jim if the same criteria, in his estimation, applies. "

That is not true. I'm sure if the brexit party won a general election, Jim would accept that was a democratic result.

You ask'd me to ask him, then told me not to, because you told me what you think he thinks. Can i not just ask jim?

Jim said : "If the Lib Dems win a democratic election then their policies will have been endorsed by the people, democratically. Which makes it democratic."


And i have to say that is bang on, and true.

if the lib dems won a democratic election, it would be democratic.

[naomi24]

spath, //I'm sure if the brexit party won a general election, Jim would accept that was a democratic result. //

Why are you sure? Jim doesn't accept the EU 'Leave' vote. In that instance he says democracy doesn't mean what the rest of us think it means - and what he clearly thinks it means should the Lib Dems triumph.

Ask him what you like. Good luck.

[spathiphyllum]

I'm sure he can tell me what he thinks clearer than you can try to tell me what Jim thinks.

The leave was 2% swayed, fed by lies. It wasn't democratic.

General elections are.


You seem confused.

[spathiphyllum]

Cassa - "Which bit of that don’t you understand Spath?"

I personally don't feel like it's I that has a lack of understanding. However, I'm sure you feel the same in regards to yourself.

[Jackdaw33]

If 'ifs and ans were pots and pans, there'd be no work for the tinker'. I remember that saying from nigh on 70 years ago.

[naomi24]

spath, //The leave was 2% swayed, fed by lies. It wasn't democratic. //

Nonsense.

[spathiphyllum]

An election where elites lie to peasants to sway them to vote their direction, when in reality, nothing was certain, is in my opinion, not very morel. That is not democratic. Democracy is morel, where we vote for what we understand collectively. Not vote on a load of lies.

The vote was still so split.

[spathiphyllum]

The only spin about, was the one put on the brexit vote. A load of absolute balderdash was said, and people, including you, believed it.