Seperation Of The Siamese Twins

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/PLNMqvmycN/conjoined-twins
a magnificent achievement by the NHS surgeons. As recent customer myself I am eternally grateful to our civilised approach to health care. Well done.

[Cloverjo]

It’s incredible isn’t it?
If I’d been the mother in that situation I might have terminated the pregnancy. Best wishes to the girls, and huge respect to the surgeon for taking on such a huge task.

[Mamyalynne]

Utterly amazing, such skill and courage and faith shown in that skill by the family.

[Peter Pedant]

various points arise
did anyone notice? Ihave no specialised knowledge

A pakistani surgeon said to another pakistani surgeon - christ look at this we wont go near it !
[if it goes wrong the parents come after the surgeon oops!]
family I mean, waves of them until .....

and the other one says oh we will !

But someone has to pay - note there were charges for this

One is bigger than the other and so they could sacrifice one for the other as was done in Manchester - operation MUCH easier. no issue abart tissue, one gives the skin and bone to the survivor

but they decide not to - in the interests of the child or moral beliefs?

the stronger child gives an artery to the weaker
and strokes out ....the weaker child ALMOST has a cardiac arrest during the procedure ( 'less unstable than she was' )

so the sacrifice has been in the opposite direction.
stronger to the weaker - and the stronger is now hemiplegic
Is that in either childs interests
Surgeon agonises on air ... repeatedly
PLastic surgeon Mr X hides behind dark glasses ( and presumably DOESN'T want to take credit for an operation which hasnt worked )

Pakistani surgeon looks at tee vee screen in Pakistan ( clearly has taken Trumps advice and gone back to where he came from ) and that thinks - christ we could have done that !
the whole point is to operate successfully

and viewers look at the child - using an waving a rattle in the right had ( left hand side of the screen remember) and a completely flaccid left side. - so it really is possible to confirm a dense hemiplegia in a non-verbal child under the age of three by looking at a television screen

NOT the success they hoped

well those are my thoughts - time for another cup of bile

success is successful - why label a screw up a success ?

[Sqad]

LOL^^^ I have to agree PP, but the public and media don't want to hear about that, as the "separation" sells newspapers.

TTT making his usual attack on private medicine....this operation WAS done privately.

Prognosis for the twins?....long way to go yet!

[Old_Geezer]

The alternative pp is one child knowing her twin sister was sacrificed to give her a life. Not nice. Perfectly reasonable to decide to find the best balance they can and let both take their chances with fate.

[THECORBYLOON]

"Nonetheless, as a result of the stroke Safa has some weakness in her left arm and leg."

That does not suggest the limbs are totally paralysed. I am sure the mother is and Sara will be eternally grateful for the work of the surgeons and the dozens of others involved.

[ToraToraTora]

GOSH is an NHS hospital sqad. I never knock private medicine, what I knock is the barbarity of how it's delivered. Similarly I accept that the NHS is not the best in terms of care but I celebrate the civilised principle of free at the point of delivery.

[Sqad]

I agree with Cloverjo...08.33...I would also have considered termination of the pregnancy.

[ichkeria]

Agree wholeheartedly T

[THECORBYLOON]

Not "Sara", Safa.

[Sqad]

TTT...you attitude towards Health Care has softened over the years.

[dannyk13]

Sqad// .this operation WAS done privately. //
At an NHS Hospital with NHS staff.

[Sqad]

danny...I understand that, but was just making sure that ABers didn't think that there would be a burden on the NHS both financially and timewise.
One has to wonder how may NHS operations were cancelled to fit in with this procedure.

[ToraToraTora]

sqad, maybe I have poorly presented in the past but what I feel hasn't changed from the above. Last Saturday I was in a motorcycle crash and experience once more our wonderful NHS. They turned up, scrapped me off the road took me to hospital, scanned me, x rayed me examined me advised me, cared, all wonderful people, nothing too much trouble. At no point did someone ask me to provide evidence of insurance or means of paying. That's what civilised nations do, that's what is the envy of the world.

[Sqad]

TTT....we are going round in circles and it seems fruitless, as you will not accept any criticism of the system and still cling onto it being the"Envy of the World. I'm afraid that we will always be at loggerheads over this issue.

[Cloverjo]

Hope you’re ok, TTT. The NHS is wonderful.

[ToraToraTora]

sqad read my last sentence, that's what is the envy of the world, not the quality of service in all cases, sure you get better privately in many areas. I'm talking about the civilised way it's done not the money grubbing approach of most of the world.

[Sqad]

TTT...OK.

[roopower]

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[ToraToraTora]

I'm off for a fortnight, this is one of the pictures taken by plod:
http://tinypic.com/r/121wsib/9
That's not me in flip flops talking to the copper!