Whipped For Loving..

[fender62]

religion of peace..mmm the face of islam you do not see on bbc, i wonder why..guess trump is more news worthy, considered a racist..but hey whats happening is ok though.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7306503/Woman-breaks-publicly-whipped-100-times-having-pre-marital-sex-Indonesia.html#comments

[andy-hughes]

spath - //"would you like to try and argue around that?"

My eyes are green so i wouldn't care. //

No problem, because on Tuesday I am passing a law that everyone with eyes and testicles has to have one or other removed with a rusty tin lid - my choice, obviously!!

[spathiphyllum]

things like that would never work though, because 50% of the population would have a testicle.

If everyone stood up for this couple, they wouldn't have been lashed.

Their community / culture let that happen.

[ladybirder]

Spath // Where were this womans mother and father whilst she was being whipped? \\
What has that got to do with anything?

[spathiphyllum]

I get what you're staying Andy.. a big man with power does what he wants.

All i'm saying is if 20 little men didn't want that to happen, they could stand up to him. However, they let it happen, because it's their culture.

The people being lashed know this.

[Peter Pedant]

// Spath, is whipping someone for having sex outside marriage a ‘decent’ punishment? Is stoning a woman to death for committing adultery a ‘decent’ punishment?//

ah as Thomas Aquinas might say - justice is constantly striving to give a man his rights....

I would give Justice a much more Marxist definition - a set of rules that describes how certain officials ( judges) will act in certain cirucmstances ( court cases)

just about every legal system has: ignorance of the law is no excuse
so it boils down to: if you go to a country where they beat people for having sex in the street - then if you go to that country, expect....

as for do the heathens and pagans have dominion over us?
yes - Phillipians - greeting to those of us in Caesar's household
So Nero had christians in the domus aurea ( domus or - wha'? ) and had dominion over them....AD60

Clearly if it comes down to reading Ni'd deep thoughts ( again ) or Aquinas, Aquinas won.

[spathiphyllum]

"What has that got to do with anything?"

I want to know if they were watching and if they were OK with the decision that they got lashed.

[spathiphyllum]

The parents reactions would say a lot about the culture.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // I get what you're staying Andy.. a big man with power does what he wants.

All i'm saying is if 20 little men didn't want that to happen, they could stand up to him. However, they let it happen, because it's their culture.

The people being lashed know this. //

That's a beautiful fantastical assumption, I suggest you leave it in fiction-land where it belongs.

Here in the real world, have a look at the news in Hong Kong, where rather more than 'twenty little men' are trying to change things - and dying for their trouble.

[spathiphyllum]

aye just look at sudan also.

[spathiphyllum]

It's bordering a fine racist line where you imply that "We are better than them"... Especially if you come out an say it like that.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // The parents reactions would say a lot about the culture. //

You think so?

I can find you people who think that Peter Sutcliffe was right to do as he did - but that doesn't reflect on the culture whose laws have imprisoned him for life for his crimes.

I am not sure where you pluck these reactions from - either you are simply winding people up, or you seriously scatter-gun whatever comes into your head, however illogical and ill-considered it is.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // It's bordering a fine racist line where you imply that "We are better than them"... Especially if you come out an say it like that. //

It has nothing to do with racism!!!

I am not condemning these people because they have brown skin, I am condemning them because they are barbaric psychopaths, I have no interest on what colour they are!!!

[spathiphyllum]

"You think so? "

Yes, would you happily watch your son/daughter get whipped multiple times for having premarital sex?

You are using wild examples to make your points.. It's hysterical.

[spathiphyllum]

"It has nothing to do with racism!!! "

To say you are better than anyone due to their culture standards, is racist.

[spathiphyllum]

"condemning them because they are barbaric psychopaths"

No, that's what you think. But in fact, you think that simply because of the way their culture goes about things... That is racist.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // To say you are better than anyone due to their culture standards, is racist. //

Do me a favour, check what the word 'racist' means would you - then you can use it accurately in a debate.

Firslty I am not refering to 'culture standards' I am referring to lawlessness and violence, which somewhat transcend such concepts, and secondly, racism involves criticising someone on the basis of their ethcnity , which is not what I am doing here.

I am happy to debate with you, but only if you can demonstrate that we are actually discussing the same thing.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // No, that's what you think. //

It is what I think, but what I think is also underlined by the standards of any civilised society, including ours.

But in fact, you think that simply because of the way their culture goes about things... That is racist. //

Not it's not - as advised, please look up the word for its meaning.

Thank you.

[spathiphyllum]

LOL OK.

I personally think, if you think your society is better than another because of cultural practises then you're a tad racist. If you think differently then fair enough i accept that.

[naomi24]

Spath, I didn’t ‘imply’ that we’re better than them. I said we are better than them. No discrepancy there.

[ladybirder]

Spath, it is the law there. Sharia Law. A few people standing around shouting isn't going to stop it.