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Is it time for gun control in America? Yet we have another horrendous mass shooting of innocent people. Australia managed it incredibly quickly how come America can't. Something has to be done
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//I am the owner of four high powered rifles that could reach an effective accurate range of at least a mile. My colleagues in my rifle club also have a selection of single shot magazine loaded rifles. We all,collectively possess thousands of rounds for those rifles.
All of us are stringently vetted with regarding our wish to purchase and use these weapons. We have to justify there purchase.
We have to allow the licensing authority access to our personal medical files to assess what medication we are prescribed, any mental illness or problems with alcohol intake and how much our daily/weekly intake is. Our cars are flagged by DVLC as likely to be conveying firearms . We are restricted where we shoot our firearms. Only on a Home Office approved rifle range suitable for the calibre of weapon held. Our houses have to be inspected and suitable approved door/window locks,burglar alarms,(CCTV a plus)installed. Our firearms and ammunition have to be installed in Home Office approved safes that are inspected. We are not allowed to tell anyone including family members where the keys to these safes are kept. Records have to be shown of the sale and purchase of each firearm to the Licensing authority . Failure could result in imprisonment. A record of useage of ammunition expenditure with limits imposed on amount possessed and purchased. No self loading high calibre firearms or automatics. They are deemed Prohibited weapons. I could go on and on with a miriad more of restriction quite rightly imposed on our sport. NO ONE I have seen shooting at Bisley is likely to go on the rampage in a shopping centre and kill people by the score these days. Hungerford and Dunblane victims were, in the main , killled by serlf loading handguns with multiload magazines.
As a result all handguns are illegal except those held by military and law enforcement Our own British Olympic team are no longer allowed to practise in the UK.
What the heck are these crazy Americans on. The Australians have stringent firearms legislation now,similar to ours. The Americans can follow our model if they could be bothered.
It would appear that Phsycological profiling would not go amiss on any gunowners or new permit applicants over in the states and that includes their police.
One rookie American cop panicked when a woman's dog ran towards him in a playful manner,drew his firearm and discharged several rounds. He wounded the dog and killed the female owner.
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//I am the owner of four high powered rifles that could reach an effective accurate range of at least a mile. My colleagues in my rifle club also have a selection of single shot magazine loaded rifles. We all,collectively possess thousands of rounds for those rifles.
All of us are stringently vetted with regarding our wish to purchase and use these weapons. We have to justify there purchase.
We have to allow the licensing authority access to our personal medical files to assess what medication we are prescribed, any mental illness or problems with alcohol intake and how much our daily/weekly intake is. Our cars are flagged by DVLC as likely to be conveying firearms . We are restricted where we shoot our firearms. Only on a Home Office approved rifle range suitable for the calibre of weapon held. Our houses have to be inspected and suitable approved door/window locks,burglar alarms,(CCTV a plus)installed. Our firearms and ammunition have to be installed in Home Office approved safes that are inspected. We are not allowed to tell anyone including family members where the keys to these safes are kept. Records have to be shown of the sale and purchase of each firearm to the Licensing authority . Failure could result in imprisonment. A record of useage of ammunition expenditure with limits imposed on amount possessed and purchased. No self loading high calibre firearms or automatics. They are deemed Prohibited weapons. I could go on and on with a miriad more of restriction quite rightly imposed on our sport. NO ONE I have seen shooting at Bisley is likely to go on the rampage in a shopping centre and kill people by the score these days. Hungerford and Dunblane victims were, in the main , killled by serlf loading handguns with multiload magazines.
As a result all handguns are illegal except those held by military and law enforcement Our own British Olympic team are no longer allowed to practise in the UK.
What the heck are these crazy Americans on. The Australians have stringent firearms legislation now,similar to ours. The Americans can follow our model if they could be bothered.
It would appear that Phsycological profiling would not go amiss on any gunowners or new permit applicants over in the states and that includes their police.
One rookie American cop panicked when a woman's dog ran towards him in a playful manner,drew his firearm and discharged several rounds. He wounded the dog and killed the female owner.
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The issue of the 2nd amendment has taken on a sort of "holy writ" dimension. The 2nd amendment is exactly that, an amendment, a change to the original "holy scripture". There is no logical reason why the 2nd amendment cannot be un-amended, cancelled, by an Nth amendment - except that older changes have by now been absorbed into the canon of the unalterable. It is all too close to religious dogma (of which there is plenty to be found in the USA) to give much hope for what outsiders see as simple good judgement. One sees the same approach in much more recent "unalterable" positions/outcomes, not to be touched/re-examined because "moral/conventional/legal/democratic norms" prevent it.
//Tilly...remember Hungerford, ?
It's the people,American and British, a small minority seem to be so angry, so violent,intolerant of discipline and disrespectful to the rest of the community.
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oh come on you are being a tad unfair to the people of Hungerford
whom I have always thought of as being faceless bureaucrats supply pen pushers for the city of London.
Tilly...remember Hungerford, Dunblaine and now in London, knife crimes?
The english ones were associated with cack ups - Hungerford ( "all in all the day went quite well" - the minister screamed no no no - re write this report).
2005 - David Davis ( later fired Brexit minister) told the PM that the public in London were saying completely different things to the authorities and he had better hold an inquiry ( Hallett inquest in fact). BTP refused to come out othe lavatory they had locked themselves into and the firemen wouldnt go into the tunnels
London Bridge - not situationally aware - "oh look there are six dead people down there no one knew about"
It's the people,American and British, a small minority seem to be so angry, so violent,intolerant of discipline and disrespectful to the rest of the community.
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oh come on you are being a tad unfair to the people of Hungerford
whom I have always thought of as being faceless bureaucrats supply pen pushers for the city of London.
Tilly...remember Hungerford, Dunblaine and now in London, knife crimes?
The english ones were associated with cack ups - Hungerford ( "all in all the day went quite well" - the minister screamed no no no - re write this report).
2005 - David Davis ( later fired Brexit minister) told the PM that the public in London were saying completely different things to the authorities and he had better hold an inquiry ( Hallett inquest in fact). BTP refused to come out othe lavatory they had locked themselves into and the firemen wouldnt go into the tunnels
London Bridge - not situationally aware - "oh look there are six dead people down there no one knew about"
Gun laws are more permissive than abortion laws in Texas:
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cassa: //... the right to bare [sic] arms is in the constitution and the US DNA. Any call to disarm citizens even a small way will be met with resistance. //
I mean I agree with the idea that the constitution is in enough American's DNA to make it hard to implement proper restrictions, but how's this for an idea? Offer to buy back all military-grade weapons, automatics, semi-automatics etc, and trade for a sidearm or equivalent. Then the right to bear arms isn't infringed upon, but the streets are also at least a little safer.
Only part of the way to a solution, but on the other hand having taken a small step in the right direction it makes it easier to take the larger step of removing weapons almost entirely (along with the necessary change to the constitution).
I mean I agree with the idea that the constitution is in enough American's DNA to make it hard to implement proper restrictions, but how's this for an idea? Offer to buy back all military-grade weapons, automatics, semi-automatics etc, and trade for a sidearm or equivalent. Then the right to bear arms isn't infringed upon, but the streets are also at least a little safer.
Only part of the way to a solution, but on the other hand having taken a small step in the right direction it makes it easier to take the larger step of removing weapons almost entirely (along with the necessary change to the constitution).
If they couldn't be bothered after Sandy Hook they will never do anything! They're happy to cling to an interpretation of a 200+ year document, if that's the case then let them have their arms, exactly like the 200+ year old weapons.
Obviously there are those who will try to validate the Americans' acceptance of mass murder by referencing the knife crime in the UK. However an automatic weapon can do a lot more damage than a single knife.
Obviously there are those who will try to validate the Americans' acceptance of mass murder by referencing the knife crime in the UK. However an automatic weapon can do a lot more damage than a single knife.
I doubt anyone will regain gun control in the USA. The whole country is awash with firearms and ,in some cases, are not even registered. Only guesstimates can be given as each state inteprets the sale and possession of firearms differently. From quite well controlled to non existent. Some insist an applicant, for a permit, to attend a safety awareness course and display competence. Other states are relaxed on covert concealment and others ban it.Magazine (clip) capacities differ, Some states you pick up a new firearm on production of a driving licence or similar ID. There is noconsistency.
Firearm control should of been delegated to a central Government body (FBI perhaps or ATF ) many years ago. A government could try to start again by formulating a cental National Bureau.They could announce that every firearm possessed must now be declared and registered under penalty of long term imprisonment for failure. The bad guys and the nut jobs will just ignore it.
We, in the UK, had an extensive range of firearms totally banned post Dunblane and Hungerford. There was a government amnesty and compensation scheme. I lost two handguns and ammunition on that occasion. Burst fire weapons have always been banned for civilian use in the UK but surprise surprise, the UZI, SCORPION and MACS are all out there and appear from time to time along with banned handguns in the hands of criminals and Yardie Gangs. In Manchester they have a cottage industry of actually making what are known as 'Saturday Night' specials. Turned out guns on lathes in a garden shed or lock up.The states have lost control and there is no will to regain it.They have travelled too far.
Firearm control should of been delegated to a central Government body (FBI perhaps or ATF ) many years ago. A government could try to start again by formulating a cental National Bureau.They could announce that every firearm possessed must now be declared and registered under penalty of long term imprisonment for failure. The bad guys and the nut jobs will just ignore it.
We, in the UK, had an extensive range of firearms totally banned post Dunblane and Hungerford. There was a government amnesty and compensation scheme. I lost two handguns and ammunition on that occasion. Burst fire weapons have always been banned for civilian use in the UK but surprise surprise, the UZI, SCORPION and MACS are all out there and appear from time to time along with banned handguns in the hands of criminals and Yardie Gangs. In Manchester they have a cottage industry of actually making what are known as 'Saturday Night' specials. Turned out guns on lathes in a garden shed or lock up.The states have lost control and there is no will to regain it.They have travelled too far.
retrocop - // NO ONE I have seen shooting at Bisley is likely to go on the rampage in a shopping centre and kill people by the score these days. //
Since you have quoted this view again, I feel I must quote mine - you cannot know that none of your club colleagues will ever go on a rampage, no-one can know that, it's simply not possible.
Since you have quoted this view again, I feel I must quote mine - you cannot know that none of your club colleagues will ever go on a rampage, no-one can know that, it's simply not possible.
You are beginning to behave like a troll. I have already read the same diatribe from you and refuse to be goaded by you. You are not worthy of reply and is why I have not responded to you on my post.
You derail all you like. I’ll just read without further comment and wait for you to fire your wrecking ball through the thread. That is your usual MO. Get on with it and do your worst.
You derail all you like. I’ll just read without further comment and wait for you to fire your wrecking ball through the thread. That is your usual MO. Get on with it and do your worst.
retrocop - // You are beginning to behave like a troll. I have already read the same diatribe from you and refuse to be goaded by you. You are not worthy of reply and is why I have not responded to you on my post.
You derail all you like. I’ll just read without further comment and wait for you to fire your wrecking ball through the thread. That is your usual MO. Get on with it and do your worst. //
Calm down for heavens sake!
I pointed out, reasonably I believe, that your post is inaccurate, and you go off like some lunatic with a personal attack based on your animosity towards me, and nothing to do with the point I have made.
If you want to debate my point, calmly, please do, if you want to go off like some bad-tempered troll, you are on your own.
But consider this - if I was responsible for your gun licences, and I read your irrationally heated response to a simple observation, I would be considering very carefully if you were actually a fit and proper person to own a firearm.
So - debate, or nasty trolling? One gets a response, the other does not.
Your choice.
You derail all you like. I’ll just read without further comment and wait for you to fire your wrecking ball through the thread. That is your usual MO. Get on with it and do your worst. //
Calm down for heavens sake!
I pointed out, reasonably I believe, that your post is inaccurate, and you go off like some lunatic with a personal attack based on your animosity towards me, and nothing to do with the point I have made.
If you want to debate my point, calmly, please do, if you want to go off like some bad-tempered troll, you are on your own.
But consider this - if I was responsible for your gun licences, and I read your irrationally heated response to a simple observation, I would be considering very carefully if you were actually a fit and proper person to own a firearm.
So - debate, or nasty trolling? One gets a response, the other does not.
Your choice.
retrocop - // My choice is to ignore your goading. Do you not bother to read other posts. You have become very tedious and I don’t wish to keep repeating myself. Bore others . Not me. I want know more of this from you thanks. //
If you want to debate, fine, we can debate, if you want to troll, do it without me.
I think we are broadly in agreement that each thinks the other is being a troll - so let's drop it and debate the OP - how's that?
If you want to debate, fine, we can debate, if you want to troll, do it without me.
I think we are broadly in agreement that each thinks the other is being a troll - so let's drop it and debate the OP - how's that?
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