Finally A P M With The Balls To Tell It Like It Is.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49348072
Yes, collaborators is the correct term, bang on Boris.

[Ken4155]

Collaboration with the EU? Sorry, but until Boris has it painted on the side of a bus, i won't believe it:-/

[hereIam]

Are there no halfwits in Scotland then tinkerbell ???

I don't want him to, but I fear Boris will fall at the last hurdle. I just can't ever see Brexit coming off as much as I want it.

[ichkeria]

It’s particularly unfortunate that the PM should use this sort of language. I’m not sure how he thinks it is going to help. It just makes people more bitter and more divided. And this from someone who was a foreign secretary for a while. You can see why he wasn’t very good at it.
A prominent leave campaigner from 2016 has now joined the Lib Dems I see. Theyll be coming for her in the middle of the night ...

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "Which bit of signing Article 50, negotiating a withdrawal agreement, taking a hard-line stance on Brexit, trying to stop Parliament voting on it at all, and then offering up the same deal multiple times, gave you any sort of impression at all that May was trying to stop Brexit? " - she was trying to deliver brexit alright, BRINO!

[dannyk13]

ich, so what would you call Hammond then?

[naomi24]

//It’s particularly unfortunate that the PM should use this sort of language. //

Unfortunate for those who don't like the truth.

[Old_Geezer]

Those who would be made more bitter are those who are determined not to see the harm they do, regardless. If some of the others are jolted to a realisation of the consequences of their actions, it can only be for the better.

[ichkeria]

I know that the level of - I’ll use the word hatred - building towards Mr Johnson in some quarters is alarming. It’s not a feeling I share but I understand it. People don’t forget easily.
I’m not sure where the sense, the vision and the clear headedness is in all this from the Govt point of vote either. When a report claims half of Britain’s farms may go bust with the threat of the sort of Brexit he is threatening, and when you consider how farmers usually vote ...

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, 'reports' - especially those designed to support Project Fear, claim a lot of things. May, may, may. I think this country is well and truly sick of 'May' - in more ways than one. One way or another this circus has to stop - now.

[Old_Geezer]

One sees reports from those with a particular aim/point of view discussing worst case scenarios, fairly regularly. I don't believe them and feel they desensitise the public towards all reporting. Too often in the past we read we're all doomed only to find the reality somewhat different.

[ToraToraTora]

The PM was referring to quislings like Hammond and yes "collaborator" is accurate. As usual I challenge the remainers to come up with a better term for these people. People who openly side with the opposition, deride their own nation and then accuse the loyal of their attributes, people who would do anything to remain shackled to the EUSSR, many tories, many Labour and all Lib nonDems who at least have been honest enough about their intention to thwart democracy. Over to you Jim et al, give me a more accurate term than those I have been using, VBQCs the lot of them.

[Old_Geezer]

Metathesiophobes ? Neophobes ?

[ToraToraTora]

interesting OG but It's not fear of change, it's more like sedition. Anyway how long have you been in the VBQC?

[Old_Geezer]

It is fear of change that drives them into acting against the aims of their country. Their moral standing regarding supporting democracy, doesn't trump that.

[Khandro]

The item says; "But some MPs said his claim they were collaborating with the EU was a "wicked lie" and a "big deflection exercise".//

Interesting how the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation, is always quick to find that 'some' or 'someone'

[naomi24]

//"But some MPs said his claim they were collaborating with the EU was a "wicked lie" and a "big deflection exercise".//

The collaborators would say that wouldn't they. They'd know all about deflection exercises.

[Khandro]

Julia Hartley-Brewer (whom God preserve) just asked - Mr Punch lookalike - Dominic Grieve, 'you don't want J.Corbyn in no. 10, you don't want a hard Brexit (or a Brexit at all) you say you want another referendum "to settle the matter" which if it gives a similar result wont, so what do you want.
This followed by lots of waffling.

[youngmafbog]

Boris is bang on, lets start calling a spade a spade.

These collaborators and anti democratic quislings need to be exposed and called out for what they are.

Keep draining the swamp Boris, how about deselecting traits like Hammond and May from the Troy party, they are liberals really anyway.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//When a report claims half of Britain’s farms may go bust...//

...you suspect " the sense, the vision and the clear headedness" of... etc etc, innit.

[New Judge]

//…but it [the WA] would have seen the UK formally leave the EU this year,//

In name only, Jim, in name only.

// While I will technically concede this point (actually until 20xx rather than "forever", but for both of us I suppose the end of the century is basically forever), it ignores the practical strain on both EU and UK that a "half-in, half-out" UK would provide. Neither side would want this situation to continue indefinitely, least of all the EU. So yes, technically 2025 has no basis in the content of the WA, but I would still have expected that year (or earlier) to have marked the endpoint of some sort of halfway exit.//

More important (in this respect) than the WA is the “political declaration” (PD) that is expected to be signed at the same time. This sets out the EU’s vision of a permanent future relationship – the one that would have to be settled before the “final exit” you mention above is secured. This is far reaching and its vision effectively ties the UK to the EU and its institutions almost as closely as we are bound now. I’ve copied a passage from another thread where I mentioned this:
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//It [the political declaration] also demands that the UK should align with EU laws and that a future relationship must ensure that a level playing field ensues on State aid, competition, social and employment laws. It also demands fishing quotas for EU boats fishing in UK waters, “Mobility arrangements” (aka free movement), social security co-ordination (so that EU nationals in the UK can draw equal benefits, thus drawing migrants from low paid economies). It proposes that overseeing all of these laws will be, needless to say, the ECJ.//
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There is no way a permanent future relationship will be settled unless all of those provisions are met. The idea that the EU will agree to a deal without them is fanciful. It wants full political and legislative control. The UK will be stuffed when it comes to those negotiations because it will be trapped in a customs union (and bound by other conditions of the WA) from which it cannot escape without EU approval and so unable to pursue an independent trading policy. There will be no incentive for the EU to negotiate, only to demand. The WA and PD are disastrous documents for the UK and there is no chance that the EU will acquiesce to anything substantially different.