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After even Collaborator Oliver Letwin declared he'd rather no deal than let Agent Cob into No 10, is Jezza getting desparate?
After even Collaborator Oliver Letwin declared he'd rather no deal than let Agent Cob into No 10, is Jezza getting desparate?
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And speaking as someone who comes from the part of the UK which will be most affected by the No Deal scenario, I selfishly proclaim firm support for the backstop should it be needed - which it probably would.
While some warble on about vassalage etc, which is so easy to do, others will face genuine issues if the border posts return as they surely would eventually.
While some warble on about vassalage etc, which is so easy to do, others will face genuine issues if the border posts return as they surely would eventually.
It isn't scaremongering if it's true. Today some of the government's own predictions for the fallout were leaked and they make for grim reading -- or rather, they would, if we hadn't known this already.
No Deal is going to suck for everybody. If anything I'm actually more scared at the fact that there are some people blinkered enough to think that it'll all be fine. But by definition that cannot even be true by their own reasoning -- if it weren't harmful, then in what sense was it ever a threat in the first place?
No Deal is going to suck for everybody. If anything I'm actually more scared at the fact that there are some people blinkered enough to think that it'll all be fine. But by definition that cannot even be true by their own reasoning -- if it weren't harmful, then in what sense was it ever a threat in the first place?
// so, jim, the Irish backstop and the natural progression from that is acceptable to you? Basically eternal vassalage at the pleasure of the EUSSR? //
It was never eternal vassalage. So that's lie number one. Lie number two is to portray the Backstop as inevitable rather than a failsafe.
Oh, and a list of people they were demonstrably acceptable to includes Jacob Rees-Mogg, Dominic Raab, David Davis, Esther McVey, Liz Truss, Iain Duncan Smith... and Boris Johnson.
It was never eternal vassalage. So that's lie number one. Lie number two is to portray the Backstop as inevitable rather than a failsafe.
Oh, and a list of people they were demonstrably acceptable to includes Jacob Rees-Mogg, Dominic Raab, David Davis, Esther McVey, Liz Truss, Iain Duncan Smith... and Boris Johnson.
The backstop is there because no one had thought of a solution to the problem of separate customs unions for the UK and the EU AND avoiding land border customs posts.
It was either that or a customs border in the Irish Sea which the DUP didn’t want and they matter because the govt needs
their support (and for no other reason)
This conundrum resulted from the negotiating positions and aspirations of BOTH sides not just the EU
It was either that or a customs border in the Irish Sea which the DUP didn’t want and they matter because the govt needs
their support (and for no other reason)
This conundrum resulted from the negotiating positions and aspirations of BOTH sides not just the EU
Jim, //It isn't scaremongering if it's true. //
But you don't know that what you're saying is true - and in fact some of it has been demonstrably false, ie 'democracy doesn't mean what you think it means'. Take a breath, Jim and give us all a rest from this interminable, repetitive claptrap. The sky is not about to fall! Whatever happens this country will survive - and thrive. It's what this country does - always!
But you don't know that what you're saying is true - and in fact some of it has been demonstrably false, ie 'democracy doesn't mean what you think it means'. Take a breath, Jim and give us all a rest from this interminable, repetitive claptrap. The sky is not about to fall! Whatever happens this country will survive - and thrive. It's what this country does - always!
Read the stuff from Operation Yellowhammer, ie the government's official preparations for a No-Deal exit, and tell me that food shortages, large rises in prices, trade disruption and breaking of supply chains, threats to availability of medicines, a hard border on Ireland, etc etc, counts as "thriving". Maybe it's short-term disruption, for a few years, but it represents a completely unnecessary self-inflicted hit that will take a long time to recover fully from.
Just because you're sticking your fingers in your ears doesn't make that go away.
Just because you're sticking your fingers in your ears doesn't make that go away.
Also, as a matter of fact, there's already been a measurable effect from Brexit-related uncertainty. Most notably the plunging value of Sterling since 2016, but also other studies have shown that the effects of Brexit are already in the region of £400 million+/week.
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You've advanced that point several times, ve, and I've explained why it's misleading each time: much of the pre-referendum analysis was long-term, so we won't know how wrong it was until 2030. And the short-term stuff was contingent on something -- namely, the instant A50 Notification -- that did not happen.
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