Scotland, Please Vote For Alternative Dependence.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49413345
current deficent for Scotland £12.6bn, for Whole UK £23.5bn, so 7% of the people are responsible for over half the deficit.......

[Togo]

Scotland please vote? Isn't it about time that we could evict the recalcitrant juveniles out of our grown up household? Times have moved on. Time for little brother/sister to do the same and the people of England to look after their own affairs.

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[New Judge]

Indeed. Nobody ever thinks of asking the English electorate whether they are prepared to continue to financially support Scotland, N. Ireland and Wales. It's always about what those smaller constituent parts want for themselves.

He who pays the piper calls the tune (or at least he should, but it seems he doesn't).

[douglas9401]

The First Miniature absented herself from proceedings to bolster the good fight in Shetland.

She's so selfless and giving so she is.

Parcel of rogues in a party.

In my shrinking circle there are two, yes two who support the SNP and their fantasies.

I'm afraid you're stuck with us for the foreseeable. :-)

[JimF]

What about being ruled by Westminster do you love so much?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Scotland since union has punched above its weight in its contribution to engineering, science and philosophy to British civilisation. And I , personally, would regret a Scexit.

I note also that Scotland has punched over its weight in its supply of Prime Ministers to "United Kingdom". Ramsday MacDonald being by far the best of a bad bunch compared with Blair or Brown.

[1ozzy]

The Scots obviously share a lot with the rest of the UK.
Except their money ;-/

[Mozz71]

Can the rest of England vote to leave Westminster rule? There are around 16.9m who'd like to tell London to eff off, go independent, and remain in the EU.

[Deskdiary]

^^^you're deluded if you think Scotland, Wales and NI would automatically be granted entry to the EU.

[webbo3]

Mozz71

\\Can the rest of England vote to leave Westminster rule? There are around 16.9m who'd like to tell London to eff off, go independent, and remain in the EU.//

you lost that vote remember 52% -48%

[davebro]

/There are around 16.9m who'd like to tell London to eff off/

The vote in England was 15 million Leave v 13 million Remain (round figures).

[New Judge]

//Can the rest of England vote to leave Westminster rule? There are around 16.9m who'd like to tell London to eff off, go independent, and remain in the EU.//

Actually there were only 13.2m people in England who voted to remain (against 15.1m who voted to leave) and a large number of them live in London which was the only area in England which voted to Remain. But apart from that there are 17.4m in the UK who wouldn't like to tell them to eff off. As far as I can recall the idea of a referendum is that the majority view prevails and 17.4m is greater than 16.1m

[ToraToraTora]

Mozz, Scotland would not get into the EU because at least France an Spain would object fearing a precedent being set for the Catalans and the Basques. On the bright side though they would actually be independent.

[Mozz71]

//you lost that vote remember 52% -48%//

Yeah, but we don't have to like it. ;-)

[naomi24]

//On the bright side though they would actually be independent. //

And broke - so perhaps not so bright.

[New Judge]

//Yeah, but we don't have to like it. ;-)//

Indeed you don't. But there's a difference between not liking the result and actively seeking to overturn it. As well as that, it pays not to use misleading figures when presenting your argument as there are plenty on here (me being among them) who will quickly see through your subterfuge.

Back to Scotland and its independence. Even apart from the Spain/Catalonia and France/Basque objections there is no way that Scotland would meet the entry requirements. Scotland alone accounts for more than half (£12.6bn of £23.5bn) of the UK's current spending deficit. This is around 7% of Scotland's GDP (with the UK as a whole standing at just 1.1%). This dwarfs the deficit of every EU member with Cyprus(4.8%) and Romania (3%) the worst performers. The criteria for EU membership include a condition that the applicant country should run a deficit of no more than 3% meaning that a profligate Scotland (profligate with other people's money, that is) would have no chance of securing EU membership without massive cuts to its public spending programme.

[Deskdiary]

^^^so wave bye bye to free prescriptions, free university education and whatever other largesse is bestowed on the Scottish people by the Scottish Government using the money us horrible English subsidise them with.

[ToraToraTora]

this thread seems strangely devoid of our woad panted friends.....wonder why!

[Jordyboy9]

It’s because your post is being treated with the contempt it deserves.

[Mozz71]

//But there's a difference between not liking the result and actively seeking to overturn it//

If I don't like something, I will try to do something about it, as is my democratic right.

//As well as that, it pays not to use misleading figures when presenting your argument as there are plenty on here (me being among them) who will quickly see through your subterfuge.//

Not so much subterfuge, than trying to remember the figures off the back of my head, although I will admit that I was thinking of the full UK figures rather than the English ones. Not trickery, just a mistake.

[ToraToraTora]

are some inaccuracies then jordy? please point them out.