Why Would No Deal Be Such A Bad Thing?

[gordiescotland1]

I voted Leave and I am genuinely puzzled why No Deal would be such a bad thing. Can Britain not survive without the EU?

[1ozzy]

The powers that be Zacs, after all, they know what is best for you ;-/

[1ozzy]

Have you ever seen a "wombats wang" Zacs?

Not a pleasant sight, nothing to be scared of either ;-/

[Zacs-Master]

Indeed. It’s so comforting that we are to (in theory) be set free from the tyrannical EU and have our own efficient, democratic and unbiased MPs look after everything.

[Zacs-Master]

Pretty small thing, I would imagine, 1ozzy. The Australian equivalent of ‘you could have knocked me down with a feather’.

[1ozzy]

//and have our own efficient, democratic and unbiased MPs look after everything.//

Love your sense of humour :-))

[1ozzy]

Be afraid, be very afraid of an angry wombat.
Be afraid, be very afraid if an angry wombat wanders in front of your car while pulling 100+ kph, ( the car, not the wombat).
But, if a wombat waves its wang at you just laugh and walk away.
The embarrassment will send it back to its burrow.

[Old_Geezer]

The change is more abrupt and things need to be managed quickly and well. The effect on the economy and jobs is likely to be larger hit as a result. But once done it will recover soon enough so in essence, it's not so bad as some like to make out with their doom & gloom scenarios.

We've had government make changes before for a lot less benefit than recovering control and being a proper nation once again. And a major advantage of no-deal is that it doesn't result in some cobbled up version of May's capitulation to the EU, which must be worth it's weight in gold.

[Old_Geezer]

"Why transfer them in the first place? Why not leave out the ones we perceive as inappropriate or harmful to our economy?"

Because it's the simplest least disruptive starting point "Until we make any decision we may care to make to change those laws".

Just common sense really.

[naomi24]

//Why transfer them in the first place?//

They’re not being transferred. They already exist and will remain until such time as we examine them at our leisure, retaining those we deem appropriate and discarding those we deem unnecessary or inappropriate. A sensible course of action.

[archibaldy]

Even people that say they want 'no deal' then say it's because we can then go and make other deals with other countries etc.' Without going in to the specifics, this attitude acknowledges by everyone that 'deals' in principle are good things.

The 'no deal with the EU' people are worried that any 'deal' with the EU will be favourable to the EU and not a fair one. Unfortunately as a deal affects many different areas of which most people are not experts in any of them - and seem happy to ignore what experts in those areas do say - nobody can agree on what a 'fair' deal looks like.

[Old_Geezer]

The first thing it looks like is not being under the control of a foreign unelected elite. It also doesn't involve hard borders internally in the nation. Plus it doesn't contain transferring bits or control of bits to outside of the nation.

I think "transferred " is just a less than totally accurate way if saying we keep to them initially.

[ToraToraTora]

"Why Would No Deal Be Such A Bad Thing" - it would no doubt cause some issues that need firefighting, but it's a price worth paying, it's a price we must pay to leave the EUSSR. We cannot NOT leave with no deal. No deal does not mean never deal it means we leave then we deal, probably very quickly as it would be beneficial to both sides. Do BMW/VW/Mercedes et al want their cars to go up 20% in one go? No deal fear is the only bit of ammo project fear has left with which to scare us. They started when the referendum was announced and have continued, are you scared? We MUST leave with no deal, thankfully the PM hs grasped that.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "The EU withdrawal act brings all EU laws onto the UK books.The Act is essentially a giant ‘copy and paste’ exercise. It means that laws and regulation made over the past 40 years while the UK was a member of the EU will continue to apply after Brexit." - indeed, what our jelly loving friend here is failing to say it that the cut and paste was done to avoid having to pass all the laws it entails through the house. These can then be repealed and adjusted at leisure after we leave. So yes they are there for now but they will not stay fixed.

[Zacs-Master]

I look forward to the selective repealing of the laws which don’t suit us.

Ah hem.

[ToraToraTora]

don't worry ZM I think the supply of nails and jelly will be unaffected!

[andy-hughes]

You can always use hyperbole as a measure of the shakiness of an argument.

Pop a pound into a jam jar every time you hear a Remainer use the expression "Crashing out of the EU ..." and by Christmas, you'll be able to book a fortnight's holiday in Acapulco for next summer!!

[ummmm]

"Crashing out of the EU ..."

Never heard anyone say that!

[Zacs-Master]

Tora, if you believe that our Government will repeal / replace laws after the debacle of Brexit and the demonstration that they work in mysterious and undemocratic ways, you have more faith than me!

(Better?)

[ToraToraTora]

well they will if it suits the country, that's the point.