New Brexit Plan ?

[fender62]

i wonder if this new plan will float, or be dismissed.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-today-latest-brexit-parliament-suspension-trump-phone-call-a9129006.html

[cassa333]

Well all the MPs that want to remain will vote it down. Labour will mostly vote it down with w few dissenters in strong leave constituencies and some Hard line remain Tory MPs will vote it down. There will probably be some no deal advocates that vote it down as well so I predict it will not pass.

[ichkeria]

The “plan” is a joke and has not the slightest chance of success.
All along the cry was “but there’ll be no customs posts.
No Johnson is saying “oh look: there’ll have to be customs posts.
But we’ll move them away from the border a bit so they people will think they aren’t customs posts.
Make it up you couldn’t

[ToraToraTora]

Thanks Yoda!

[Old_Geezer]

That a perfectly good solution ich. The border is open to traffic so tick in that box: and if the EU feels they need to insist on checks because they don't have sufficient trust in a nation it's tried to punish then it can do whatever checks it wants and many and varied as it likes, at "it's" citizens' business premises. And take responsibility for the hassle they, themselves, cause.

It's too decent a fix for that part of May's capitulation for the EU to want to accept it. It'd mean no longer pretending the UK is responsible for the problems that the EU decisions create.

Meanwhile I look forward to independent qualified eyes explaining the gist of it all.

[ToraToraTora]

Even if the Irish issue is resolved that's only one of many issues in May's "deal" - frankly I'd rather remain than touch it with a bargepole. So nodeal is the only proper way forward I doubt the HOQ will approve it anyway. Getting my Poo order ready for Nov 1st!

[Hopkirk]

Why do Labour always vote against these deals, then scream against leaving without a deal?

[Old_Geezer]

Because they want to deny the referendum and remain, whether we like it or not ?

[mushroom25]

//Because they want to deny the referendum and remain, whether we like it or not ? //

then why the 2-faced approach agreed at their conference?

[ToraToraTora]

TBF hoppy, even without the Irish issue the "deal" amounts to Brino, I'd rather stay in than that, at least we'd have some say in the bloc.

[Old_Geezer]

As things stand, we need to be out of the single market as otherwise we still have free movement of capital and people and are thus still in the EU. We also need to be out of the customs union as otherwise we still couldn't negotiate free trade deals with other countries and are thus still in the EU. Now if the EU were prepared to alter the rules of either then we could consider remaining in one or the other or both.

Meanwhile I still look forward to independent qualified eyes explaining the detail of Boris' suggestion in easily understood plain English.

[Old_Geezer]

"why the 2-faced approach agreed at their conference"
Would you want to admit to that ? Better to hide it behind a veneer of "respectability".

[Ellipsis]

> Make it up you couldn’t

Clearly "you" couldn't, but "they" did ...

"Here's a jolly wheeze. Let's not have one border. Let's have two borders! Wha-ha-ha."

[ichkeria]

In fairness there are always two borders effectively, albeit it closer together.
But, yes ...

[Ellipsis]

These are the borders I was talking about (buffer zone and regulatory border):

https://image.assets.pressassociation.io/v2/image/production/1568609856e469e57cba2131c2772aa7Y29udGVudHNlYXJjaCwxNTcwMTAyOTAz/2.45765473.jpg?w=640