Remain Still Doesn’T Have The Numbers

[cassa333]

According to this article remain still doesn’t have the numbers and not many people have changed their minds either way.

In fact more would go for a no deal than a deal and leave combined outstrip remain. With a people’s vote (second referendum for those not brainwashed) has fewer than the shouters on marchers would have you believe.

Now I know polls can be off kilter but it does seem that they have asked the right questions and broken the data down to % of leave and remain voters preferences.

As an aside it would be obvious that the majority of remain voters would opt for remain and leave voters to opt for leave but even no deal gets the biggest vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50043549

[Theland]

I feel treated like an idiot for voting out. .
Nobody mansions democracy in the E U anymore.

[Theland]

If one meets a powerful person—Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin or Bill Gates–ask them five questions:
The late great Tony Benn swore by these five questions for democracy.
What power have you got?
Where did you get it from?
In whose interests do you exercise it?
To whom are you accountable?
And how can we get rid of you?

[Theland]

The EU fail on these questions and our own politicians fail to ask them as well.
Wasn't WW2 fought for democracy?

[Zacs-Master]

Have you asked God all those, Theland?

[Theland]

A shame his son seems to have forgotten his message.

[Theland]

Give me a minute Zacs.

[Theland]

Zacs - Time to think for yourself maybe?

[ichkeria]

Indeed the conclusion that there is no overall majority for any one course of action shows how in fact, far from excoriating parliament we, and indeed the government, should realise that it does indeed reflect the country at large.

[Zacs-Master]

Time to think for yourself says the man who doesn't make a decision without consulting the heavens.

[davebro]

"If one meets a powerful person—Adolf Hitler"

Godwin's Law - already!

[New Judge]

Nobody mansions democracy in the E U anymore.

Well they certainly don't mention it in Spain. A couple of days ago nine of their leading politicians were jailed for up to thirteen years for organising an unofficial poll on independence. The EU (which, we are led to believe, labours tirelessly to preserve freedom and democracy) has not uttered a dickie bird. Instead it has decided that the matter of the lengthy incarceration of politicians for holding a view contrary to the national government is an internal affair and has not commented. Different, of course, to its treatment of Poland's ruling Law & Justice party. The European Commission has recently referred Poland to the EU's top court for the third time over a new system for disciplining judges. The move came just before the October 13 parliamentary election (which the L&J Party won) and marks yet another effort by Brussels to rein in the nationalist Law and Justice (PiS) party government's bid to bring the judicial system under tighter political control.

So, organise an unofficial referendum, end up behind bars for 13 years, and it is nothing to do with the EU. Try to bring tighter political control to your country's courts - and get re-elected in the meantime - and you're up before the EU's own Beak.

Still, since the PM seems adamant he will not countenance a second Scottish referendum I suppose we could encourage Ms Sturgeon to organise one of her own. Perhaps we can look forward to seeing her carted off for a spell in HMP Corton Vale.

[mushroom25]

//Perhaps we can look forward to seeing her carted off for a spell in HMP Cornton Vale. //

unlikely. given the future reduced capacity for female wrongdoers represented by the upcoming closure of cornton vale and the much reduced capacity at the replacement facility at Inverclyde, it's likely the best you could hope for is the 1st minister wearing an electronic tag.

[jim360]

The UK was already in a compromised position of sorts: in the EU, but out of some of its more controversial (in the UK, at least) elements: Schengen, the Euro, etc. 52/48 is certainly not a mandate to abandon that position entirely. It's a shame that people are still pretending that it is.

And, besides, No Deal is not and never has been a serious option. Even without the Benn Act the government's "threat" of No Deal barely existed in the first place. If we must leave then it can hardly be done overnight, as No Deal effectively means, without causing serious and lasting damage to the UK's economy and international prestige.

[Spicerack]

https://tinyurl.com/y4n7mqvk

[mushroom25]

//The UK was already in a compromised position of sorts //

do you mean that? ie impaired, diminished, vulnerable or at risk?
or did you mean "compromise", a pragmatic position of reduced demands?

[jim360]

The second. I think I just added an extra "d" for no reason.

[ToraToraTora]

ich: "Far from excoriating parliament we, and indeed the government, should realise that it does indeed reflect the country at large. " - err how? most of them want to ignore the democratic will of the majority!

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "52/48 is certainly not a mandate to abandon that position entirely. " - so what would be?

[Theland]

Zacs - Why do you and some others treat this site as an opportunity to simply take a pop at people you don't know?
It is not friendly and totally uncalled for, " says the man who has to consult ........."
You get my drift?

[Zacs-Master]

Theland, if you make comments about me like 'Zacs - Time to think for yourself maybe?' I feel obliged to respond.