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[Bobbisox1]

Tusk says the EU27 agree to a January 31st extension

Groan.......

Are they Running scared?

[spathiphyllum]

I'm not even going to respond to that juvenile ideology. (yes, you could say this is a response in itself)

[Ryzen]

vulcan.....line 2 needs a re-think :-)

[Ryzen]

spatty...dont take it to heart mate...its not all your fault that the remainers are destroying the country.

[vulcan42]

That's OK Spath, it's a free country, at the moment anyway. :o)

[Spicerack]

He's one of the ringleaders.

[Old_Geezer]

They obviously enjoy the uncertainty and all it brings.

Still, I suppose if Boris' agreement gets through without spoiler amendments the unacceptable delay will be cut short anyway.

Here's hoping for a quick GE.

[Old_Geezer]

"Like the average Joe has any say over what the government actually do."

Delay has been by parliament not government, MP remainers are in the majority, and private remoaner individuals have gone to court too. Furthermore highly vocal opposition has been from remoaner demos etc. and is influential in giving the antidemocratic MPs encouragement. No point pretending that government is a major delay factor, it's actions have been near insignificant regarding creating delay.

[spathiphyllum]

It's ironic that our PM is and was a die hard brexeteer, even got his own bus, yet can't get us out the EU. Then, his little die hard followers blame remainers for this brexeteers incapability.

It's all a very funny joke, isn't it :D

Maybe if most MP's are remainers, it's because they're educated, and in a position to be able to understand the mess, more than those who simply got told lies by those who wanted to pursue an agenda.

It's called propaganda.. you know, happened a lot around the war time?

So everyone who wants brexit thinks they know better than politicians and MPs who are paid to be in a position to know and understand what's going on better than the average Joe.

It keeps getting better and better.

I see no point in any further brexit discussion.Three years on it's still
boring and the same blame shifting disaster it always was.

You can ask someone why they voted brexit they'll say something about unelected bureaucrats. Even though the election process is the same as it is here.. The majority vote rules, and out EU rep, had a vote, so we had a say.

Are you just upset that you lost? Better stamp your feet and leave the EU.. sore losers.

Then they have the audacity to say to remainers that we're just upset that we lost?

Juvenile, petty, get me out.

[Old_Geezer]

Maybe if most MP's are remainers, it's because they've egos the size of a planet, think they know best, and refuse to represent the views of their nation as they should.

One doesn't have to think sovereignty is better than being ruled by an external unelected elite, that goes without saying, the issue is about democracy and what the majority has decided is best.

Three years on it's still being blocked by remoaners who can't accept the nation's verdict. One way to stop it being boring; get out.

The last bit of your post makes no sense. Nothing is lost of late save the illusion that authorities make sane decisions. It's simply that Brexit's been delayed again by those trying to achieve just that.

[KARL]

We have a passenger on a bus holding an unlimited ticket, he/she can stay on forever, just keep paying the direct debit. The passenger pushes the stop button. The driver stops at the next stop ahead. The passenger says he is not ready to leave but will do so at the next stop, still gathering up the belongings. The driver closes the door and drives on to the next stop. The same events repeat themselves. This goes on several times over. Now the driver says the passenger will be dropped off whenever he/she is ready at a designated stop or at any point before that but otherwise at the next stop in any case.

Of course the driver is to blame for all this and additionally the bus company is running scared. Any hint that the passenger is in any way disorganised, unreasonable, or worse is by definition impertinent. The passenger is by definition always right.

[ToraToraTora]

looks like the surrender act just kicked the can down the kermit, ho many more times before the HOQ allow democracy?

[douglas9401]

Plenty more room on top.

[ToraToraTora]

TBF it changes nothing really, the MayBo brino "deal" is not acceptable, the EUSSR have now said no more negotiations. So we have 3 choices, an unacceptable deal, no deal or remain. The only acceptable choice of those is no deal.

[jim360]

Maybe if Boris Johnson and other Leave voters had supported the May deal we'd have been in the transition period for months by now.

It's simply mistaken to blame Remainers, be they the public at large or MPs, when Leave-supporting MPs have consistently voted down any sort of Brexit themselves. As the most recent example, the DUP -- the hardest Leave supporters you can get -- would have seen the timetabling motion through if they had switched their votes from against to for Johnson's proposal. But for some unfathomable reason, which is probably to do with the fact that Johnson's new arrangements are utter crap, they decided to vote against it.

[naomi24]

//Maybe if Boris Johnson and other Leave voters had supported the May deal we'd have been in the transition period for months by now. //

That makes no sense. Why on earth would Leave voters support any deal that keeps us in? Leave doesn't mean staying in. Not that difficult to understand.

[jim360]

As an aside, I like the idea that Remain-supporters, MPs or otherwise are in any sense united enough, and competent enough, to thwart anything (eg, see TTT's own recent post ni news).

[naomi24]

Not me Guv .... ;o)

[jim360]

The Withdrawal Agreement sees us leave the EU. Not instantly, perhaps, but it would have seen us leave. Officially, we would have been out on March 29th or whenever, followed by a transition arrangement until December 2020.

But then, since Johnson voted against May's deal, and now supports his own arrangement that is 95% the same, then perhaps you should take up the contradiction with him.

[naomi24]

Why would I? I don't support his deal either.

[spathiphyllum]

"Why on earth would Leave voters support any deal that keeps us in? "

Mays deal didn't keep us in the EU though, did it.

it was an "Agreement on the Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union"


Not that difficult to understand.