Dangling From A Chimney!

[wolf63]

I have no idea how this chap found himself in this situation but I wish the rescuers luck in getting him down.

https://news.sky.com/story/cumbria-police-trying-to-rescue-man-dangling-from-290ft-dixons-chimney-11847475

[retrocop]

//Spicerack, you're such a bore. And a heartless one at that. Actually, I apologise; I've just realised that you're a bot, so it's not your fault. //

Quite an unfair appraisal of what Spicerack wrote. I see nothing heartless in what he wrote. It is a matter of fact that people have died due to incidents being prolonged by risk assessments and H&S rules.
I can cite quite recent individual cases where (a) a man who was either intoxicated or unwell drowned in three feet of water in a pond where he was stuck. Two PSCO's wanted to wade in and extricate the casualty but were prevented by Senior Fire Officers as they insisted a rescue life raft be summoned. (b) A woman fell down a deep disused mine shaft and had fractured many bones but when found was still alive. A fire officer wanted to abseil down the shaft to bring her up. Again he was stymied by a higher authority who insisted winches be bought to the scene and a full risk assessment being done. The woman died before she reached the surface.
Whereas members of the emergency services knew the risks they still attempted to save lives at risk to their own. It was expected of them to do so. There are many officers in the three emergency services these days feel a sense of shame when people die on the altar of H&S regulations and all that comes with it.
Spicerack, imo, was not out of order or a heartless bot. He was stating a fact.

[Spicerack]

Thanks, Retro. I can only assume that the Athiest didn't understand my post and/or was desperate to virtue signal on the matter.
There's no way, imo, that chap would have been dangling alone(until his death) 14hrs after being discovered by the emergency services in days gone by.
My mind, too, went back to the person who drowned in 3ft of water with all the emergency services looking on.

[retrocop]

Spicey
Here is the other one I cited back in 2008
Lessons haven't been learnt. :-(

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-10837451

[pixie374]

Retro and spice... it is impossible to tell though. You may well be right, and this man might have made a full recovery in that case.
Or we may have lost him plus members of the emergency services too, in which case people would be up in arms about it.

[retrocop]

At least we should be allowed to try. We can,or once could, of done that.

[pixie374]

Yes, but there is also a risk of losing extra lives too. It's easy to say afterwards, that he could have been saved. But we don't actually know what might have happened.

[pixie374]

The problem is, that nobody is responsible for their own decisions any more- their bosses, companies, etc are... and they won't risk being sued.

[retrocop]

that nobody is responsible for their own decisions any more- their bosses, companies, etc are... and they won't risk being sued. //

That is the damn problem.The men on the ground feel impotent,ashamed and enbarrassed when a senior officer curtails their attempts to save life.
In my lifetime, athough I have witnessed many deaths, I have only twice seen people slip away in front of me due to lack of immediate decisive action. That lives with you for ever. 'If only I told the Chief Inspector to take a hike and allow me to drive the bus off that poor fellow's thigh. He might of lived'
That was Battersea Bridge Road with ambulance crews standing by for 70 mins whilst we waited for specialist lifting air bags to arrive. He may of lived if we rolled the bus off his thigh. He also may have died due to toxic poisoning and the crush injury as soon as he was released but we wouldn't of just stood there watching his life drain away in front of us. :-(
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[vulcan42]

pixie, unfortunately you are absolutely correct but it's a terrible indictment of our modern society that people will stand and watch others die in case they get sued. Also the modern habit of filming somebody in trouble rather than helping is equally abhorrent.

[Spicerack]

And I never claimed it would have ended differently. Only might have.
Whatever, it certainly didn't deserve the response it got.

[choux]

Tilly, the poor chap seems to have been suffering:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-50239624

Some contributors may not have read the earlier link I gave at 19:15 yesterday where it stated that the ladders in place on the chimney were of a temporary nature and that the rescuers dare not use them to reach the man in fear of dislodging him from his situation.

[Mamyalynne]

Poor man was obviously in a very dark place, his family obviously devastated.

[Barmaid]

Poor man. I have immense sympathy for anyone so struggling. And now for his family who will continue to suffer. RIP.

[wolf63]

I think that hell would have to freeze over before I climbed that chimney.

It is very sad that he had to suffer for such a long time before dying. I feel for everyone involved, watching him dangle when there was no safe way of getting to him would be an unpleasant experience.

[Patsy33]

So very sad. My sympathies to his family.