Wasn't This One Of The Highlights?

[Khandro]

If you haven't seen it, don't miss Alan on Momentum;

[dannyk13]

Watched it last night.He didn't pull any punches.

[ToraToraTora]

yep, AJ is a lefty sure but he's old sensible Labour, I actually met him years ago at a postal workers union dinner ( a former Mrs TTT was into all that!) nice bloke really and I feel his pain at what has happened to their party.

[hereIam]

Excellent.

[ludwig]

Yes. It's good stuff. Whether anyone takes it on board or they just continue blaming everything on Brexit and a hostile media remains to be seen.

The priority of the cult (as he calls them) seems to be maintaining the ideological purity of the party rather than actually winning an election.

[emmie]

well that's telling them

[10ClarionSt]

So what is AJ trying to say, then?

[emmie]

that they should have ditched Corbyn and his marxist ideals. That they are not electable with Momentum in charge and a whole lot more

[10ClarionSt]

:o) I know ,emmie. I was just try to be facetious. Only trying, mind!

[fender62]

momentum is labours undoing, to many radicals hijacked the party
and that frightens people, speaks of classwar and all things 70's the student marxists shouting, burn it, bring it down...revolution.

[Togo]

He is, it pains me to agree with such a left wing thinker, mostly correct. But like all the pundits and commentators misses the fine detail and nuance that a populace can generate and steer by what is best described as gut instinct. I have spent a lot of my valuable time of late trying to understand this almost secret and certainly unspoken movement, and although I am aware that some are not happy to read "reviews or opinions" from sources off site, and today read this. It gets as close to how I feel, and see it, as makes no difference if I typed out a lengthy hypothesis.

https://independencedaily.co.uk/your-daily-brexit-betrayal-friday-13th-december-2019-the-day-of-reckoning/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=INDEPENDENCE+Daily+Newsletter1

[Theland]

I want to hear what Len McCluskey has to say.

[237SJ]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7790429/Unite-leader-Len-McCluskey-blames-Labours-humiliating-defeat-Corbyns-Metropolitan-manifesto.html

[Gromit]

A humiliating defeat for Labour, but who is to blame?
Was it the personality of the party, or the substance of the message?
Certainly a lot of people were turned off by the leftwing posturing of the leaders, Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot.

But the message was wrong. While the Tories promised to sort out Brexit quickly, Labour were offering a second referendum which nobody wants.

The leftwing momentum and Corbyn are anti-EU and were happy to uphold the EURef16 result (indeed, that was their policy in 2017 when they made moderate gains). This time, the old Blairite Remain supporting MPs insisted that a second referendum was in the manifesto. And the people rejected it on Thursday.

While the leftwing deserve a heap of the blame for making the party unelectable, we should not let that distract from the Remainer Labour MPs who deserve an equal amount of the blame for ignoring the people.

[Gromit]

Alan Johnson was a Remain supporting MP, and it is his side that insisted on a second referendum being Labour’s pledge in this General Election.

[Khandro]

Gromit;//I don't think anybody has a problem with someone wanting to remain as you say Alan Johnson did, but it was unforgivable when some remain MPs began using any method they could to derail the democratic process & it is now gratifying to see they have all paid a heavy price.

Btw. as you gave me a BA for saying that many traditional Labour voters might either abstain or spoil their ballot papers, are you going to tell us what you did? Did your pencil "hover" :0)

[ToraToraTora]

Khandro, gromit is a Labour man, he tries to disguise it but he's spent the last 3 years berating the Tories with barely a criticism of Labour.

[Khandro]

TTT yes I know that well, but I was wondering if he was one of Boris' 'lenders'

[Gromit]

I voted old Liberal (not the coalition tainted LibDems).

Protest vote obviously. There was none of the main parties I could vote for, but I have never not voted.

TTT, I fully admit to being anti Tory (though I do have 2 friends who are Tory Councillors. But that does not mean I am a Labour voter. Never have in my 55 years.
When I was young, I used to do some local journalism which involved attending full council meetings in a solid Labour Borough. I put that down as my primary reason for never voting for them.

[ToraToraTora]

ok gromit but why are you not anti Labour too?