Boeing

[Bazile]

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/24/boeing-737-max-new-troubling-communications-faa?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&;amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fbusiness%2F2019%2Fdec%2F24%2Fboeing-737-max-new-troubling-communications-faa

Troubled times for Being .
You won't see me knowingly travel in one of those jets

I see that the CEO has gone
Still , he has got a nice little Remuneration package

[jno]

the trouble is, you often don't know what sort of plane you're flying on till you get on it. (Watch out for the ones that have to be started by the pilot twirling the propeller by hand.) Fortunately, I don't think any airline anywhere would be mad enough to fly Maxes at the moment.

[Bazile]

Apart from Ryanair apparently ,it would seem

I read that the CEO won't be giving passengers any refunds
who cancel their flights

[ToraToraTora]

last time I brought this up, most said they trusted the programmers and engineers and would happily get on it. Fortunately I am a software expert which is exactly why I would not get on one.

[douglas9401]

'Software expert' could just mean selling yellow dusters door-to-door.

I'm kidding. :-)

[ToraToraTora]

wanna buy a mop?

[mushroom25]

disable and remove the MCAS system, and train pilots of the "max" as if it's a completely new aircraft - which is what they should have done from the outset but didn't want to because of the alleged cost of operating two fleets of 737s.

[Bazile]

From what I have read this plane has an inherent design fault
Trying to fix it with a software programme has not worked

I don't trust them to put lives above money

I remember reading somewhere / listening to the radio that some official body had calculated /predicted that this airplane would crash at sometime in the near future because of the inherent fault particular to this plane

[TonyV]

~I thought crashes or at least one was caused by pilots not being properly trained and knowing where reset button was, under a red cover.

[youngmafbog]

Also the 'safety' features were an optional extra as was the training.

Like TTT, I've been in software for a very long time and there is no way I will get on one. So I wont be flying RyanAir, TUI or BA.

What happened here is rather than redesign the plane they stretched the current one. Much bigger engines were put on and that it appears caused the instability on the plane hence the software solution (It appears written by $12 an hour developers)

[ToraToraTora]

the problem now days, YMB, is that we have very few programmers, most of them are coders. They know the syntax but haven't no algorithmic development ability.

[Theland]

Only two crashed.
Most of them make it :-(

[Theland]

TTT - You are a programmer? Great!
Watch out for my enquiry soon about programming and information.

[237SJ]

Difficult to say if the problems will be ironed out. I remember when the A320 came out. People were always crashing those (Paris Air Show etc) I heard pilots many, many times saying "I`m not going on those, fly by wire etc not likely etc". The A320 has been a real pack horse since then.

[TonyV]

But Boeing new there was a problem and instead of delaying aircraft launch date to rewrite software decided to launch aircraft and fix software problems retrospectively. Shame on them.

[ToraToraTora]

theland: "Watch out for my enquiry soon about programming and information. " - can't wait!

[TonyV]

Theland when are you issuing you report? Will it be publicly available?

[Theland]

IT will be in R & S.

[Hopkirk]

Once they sort the problem and certify it airworthy, I'll happily fly on it.

[tonyav]

The latest batch of documents submitted to the FAA contained instant messages from a former Boeing senior pilot, Mark Forkner, according to a person briefed on the matter.

In October, Boeing turned over 2016 messages to the FAA between Forkner and another pilot that said he might have unintentionally misled the U.S. regulator and raised questions about the performance of a key safety system during testing.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/new-boeing-737-max-documents-show-very-disturbing-employee-concerns-us-house-aide/ar-BBYj8a8?li=AAnZ9Ug

[Gromit]

Meanwhile, the company’s rocket ‘Starliner’ which is six years late, failed on its maiden flight on saturday.