Communism, Actually

[Khandro]

.... so why doesn't Jeremy & his oiks call it that?

[Khandro]

naomi; I hope the 20 minutes you have saved by not watching the video has been spent constructively ;0)

[Theland]

Dusting her treasured bust of Karl Marx? Oh sorry, Groucho Marx :-)£

[naomi24]

Yes thanks, Khandro.

[ichkeria]

The trouble is, I’d have no more confidence in someone like Peter Whittle having anything insightful to say about the Labour Party then I would Andrew Murray for example doing a video about the Tory Party.

[Khandro]

ichy; The interview isn't with Peter Whittle

[Peter Pedant]

it is worffa view
sort of starts with Labour are a load of commy basta rds and
then has a decent run thro of the Stalin years and what happened to you if you werent a stalinist
( shortened life in a gulag)

would be very decent as a preview of 'the death of stalin' now running on Netflix

and has nothing to do with the labour defeat in 2019

[Khandro]

PP //and has nothing to do with the labour defeat in 2019//

I think the strangle hold the Marxists have gained on the Labour party has everything to Labour's cataclysmic election defeat.

[naomi24]

^So do I.

[youngmafbog]

^^ And me

[ichkeria]

I don’t need to plough through a far right YouTube rant to know that the current Labour leaders are effectively (or ineffectively more like) Marxists.
Rebecca Long-Bailey’s prospective leadership agent for example is an “anti-Trotskyite” Stalinist.

[Khandro]

ichy; How do you know it's a "a far right YouTube rant" if you haven't watched it?
Does a critique of Communism make a person 'far right'?

[ichkeria]

If, as Naomi suggests above, you included a potted summary of your - or whoever’s - point along with your post then you might get fewer inaccurate replies.
I’ve skimmed through a few of your video links and most would afaic come pretty close to “right wing rant”
Certainly what I’ve seen before disinclines me to waste yet more time on them.

[Khandro]

ichy; The choice is yours entirely :0)

[Khandro]

Re. the inclusion of a potted summary; the title of the video is, 'Corbyn, Labour & the Communists' doesn't that give a clue as to what it might be about?

[Peter Pedant]

//People who haven't or wont watch the video - & there's no compulsion to do so - seem to have a lot to say about it.//

too right
piddy you cant give yourself best answer

I am too idle - oops busy busy busy to watach the index program but o I haave an opinion about it > yadda yadda yadda

this not answerbank but make-it-up-bank (*)

note that whittle comments about Russia in the thirties was abnout stalinist Russia and not Marxist Russia which if it had ever existed, mr corbyn would insist was quite different

(*) I wd say mountebank but I think people are too lazy to look it up

[Peter Pedant]

// Rebecca Long-Bailey’s prospective leadership agent for example is an “anti-Trotskyite” Stalinist.//

oo er MRs can you remind what the political principles of trotsky were? didn't like ice picks nor stalin doesnt cover it

oo reminds me - Robert Bolts play on Lenin is worth a read or view if it is available
jesus didnt the marxists swear when it came out

[ichkeria]

Peter
I am sure you know this, but Trotsky believed that communism could only succeed if there was worldwide revolution.
Stalin, on the other hand, believed that you could enforce it at a national level. Nothing whatever, no doubt, to do with his lust for power and repression in the Soviet Union :-)
Long-Bailey's colleague was spotted at a labour event wearing a t-shirt glorifying Trotsky's assassination. The excuse given was: "he's young" - which sort of goes against the idea championed supposedly by Labour that young people are responsible political adults (which I believe they are largely)

[ichkeria]

"Re. the inclusion of a potted summary; the title of the video is, 'Corbyn, Labour & the Communists' doesn't that give a clue as to what it might be about? "

Indeed, which is why I remarked that I didn't need a 20 or 30 minute video by whoever to convince me that Labour is led by Marxists.

[Theland]

Curious, when you see Corbyn wearing a cap, it is not the same type of cap as worn by a northern worker on his way to the Working Men's Club.
No, it is the same as the revolutionary in the film, Doctor Zhivago.
Appearance is everything, just thought I'd mention it.

[sevenOP]

Udy can't even give a consistent definition of 'socialism' throughiot this interview.
There is as much chance reaching a consensus to defining what socialism or communism is, as defining what 'religion' means. ( or even defining Judeo-Christian culture, eh Khandro ?