Is He Mad?

[Bobbisox1]

Nobody surely would volunteer to pay their TV licence ?
Would they?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/gary-lineker-bbc-licence-fee-voluntary-a9305076.html

[vulcan42]

Yes I know it's been changed to a tax. My complaint is a licence fee is a compulsory payment and is required to receive ITV etc, etc, but the money only goes to the BBC.

[ummmm]

Polly - no one forces us to have a TV.

[Gromit]

// a licence fee is a compulsory payment //

No it isn’t. I don’t have one. Which is my choice.

[ToraToraTora]

"Bednobs can you explain why you think paying the TV licence is voluntary?" - think bednobs is saying that you do not have to watch TV etc.

[Gromit]

// the money only goes to the BBC //

Being a bit pedantic, but it also funds Channel 4 and S4C.

[Gromit]

Tora,

Have you seen StarTrek: Picard yet? I thought it was very good, better than I had hoped.

[ToraToraTora]

no it's on Amazon, right? hang on gromit you don't have a TV licence!

[AuntPollyGrey]

well that's like saying paying car insurance is voluntary ( you only pay if you have a car) or Road Tax (only if you own a vehicle).

I would assume something is 'voluntary' if there is no obligation or reward associated with it. If you have a TV then you are obliged to have a TV licence -its not voluntary.

Well -that's my pedantic meter off the scale once again.

[Khandro]

Grommit; //You don’t need a licence to listen to radio. But you’d introduce one? Someone else who hasn’t thought it through.//

Yes I have. A licence isn't necessary to access BBC TV or radio outside of the UK but one can. It isn't a question of needing to, if it was a question of BBC radio not being able to continue without voluntary contributions, like Wikipedia say, then I would gladly contribute.

[Khandro]

//// a licence fee is a compulsory payment //

No it isn’t. I don’t have one. Which is my choice.//

Isn't that scrounging of the other people who pay? Hmmm!

[Gromit]

Tora,
You don’t need a TV licence to stream programmes.
I have a subscription to NowTV which I share with my friends. On of them has Amazon which they share with me, and one has Netflix which they share with me. And I know several people with Plex.
This month I have Binged:
The Expanse
For All Mankind
Servant
Outsider
Cobra
The Witcher
Mandalorian
Avenue 5

[UncleBarnicle]

Copied directly from https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/ ...

"The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to:

watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel
watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.)
download or watch any BBC programmes on iPlayer.
This applies to any device you use, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder."

If the BBC became a subscription service then I'd pay a 'reasonable fee' but I'd prefer to pay only for the channels that I watch, I wouldn't necessarily need all of them.

[Khandro]

Gromit; Your posts on this thread have been very illuminating, now I really understand your 'socialist' principles.

[Gromit]

// you need to a TV Licence to stream programmes LIVE on an online TV service //

So Amazon’s Premiership football is a LIVE stream and you need a licence, but most TV shows are on catch-up and do not need a licence (except on iPlayer).

[Gromit]

Khandro,

The law is slightly different in Germany. There it is a standard tax not a licence fee and avoiding it is much more difficult To avoid. Households without a TV still have to contribute to Beitragsservice.

In the UK, only LIVE broadcast/streams are liable.

[Gromit]

Khandro

// now I really understand your 'socialist' principles. //

We have something in common, we both do not pay the BBC Licence fee. But for some reason, you think that makes me a socialist?

[ichkeria]

The BBC abroad is funded commercially

[Togo]

The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to:

.watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel
.watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.)
.download or watch any BBC programmes on iPlayer.
This applies to any device you use, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder.

A little bit different to.......... "In the UK, only LIVE broadcast/streams are liable."

Khandro....I thought that you already knew that socialist "principles" dictate that paying for things is not part of their remit......That is for someone else to do. The credo is we want the benefits and advantages but we are not paying.

Lineker knows that the gravy train coming to an end and like the socialist chancer that he is, has realised that his "image" is somewhat tainted by his left wing views and the cant issued on his "me dear" sites. He is trying to do a bit of image cleansing to give himself a chance to move to the independent broadcasters, who know he is financial poison in his current guise, if they take him on. One a chancer always a chancer.

[Khandro]

Gromit// we both do not pay the BBC Licence fee. But for some reason, you think that makes me a socialist?//

There is quite a big difference really, you avoid it & let others pay. I pay my annual TV license here & I always paid it in the UK, even when I had properties in both places.

You are a socialist, because you are always spouting socialism, but your version appears to be the, 'take all, pay nowt' sort & that's why it continually fails; in the end, 'you always run out of other people's money'.

[youngmafbog]

TV licence should be abolished.

Want the BBC programs, then fine - pay for them and dont expect others to fund your desires. Unless you want to help fund my Amazon of course.