15 Years Hard Labour.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51413562
Looks like they're waiting for another St Tony!

[Bobbisox1]

One of my many mistakes in life if not the biggest, voting for Bliar

[emmie]

and no time off with good behaviour..

[drmorgans]

And the Left hate him, so maybe never.

[ichkeria]

Labour needs to stop trying to be the party of the “working class”
The Tories have shape-shifted themselves over the years and learned how to adapt. No one ever tells the Tory party to go back to its “core” voters” (at least publicly). And yet a frequent criticism of Labour, often by its opponents, is that it’s “deserted the working class”
It needs to lose that millstone.
Jon Ashworth was right in his comments before the election (you didn’t need to be a genius to see that Corbyn and Brexit were going to do for Labour)
and so he should be listened to now.
On the other hand we should not underestimate the potential for a government to **** it up.
And Labour is supported by younger voters at unprecedented levels.
Which is why Tories hoping the hard left retains control of the party is foolish.

[dannyk13]

What makes him think that they can get back in fifteen years.

[dannyk13]

ich,//and Labour is supported by younger voters at unprecedented levels.//
So where were they at the last election?

[Mozz71]

If the best labour can hope for is a copy of the war criminal to lead them out of the dark, we're better off with Boris.

[retrocop]

I wonder what the late Mikey would have to say about this state of affairs?

[The Builder]

Gore Vidal often said the the US has really only one political party.
The Property Party....

...... but that it has two wings ;o)

We have most likely been following suit.
A friend of mine, a lifelong Marxist, regards Tony Blair as being only slightly to the Left of The Daughters Of The Alamo.

As far as young voters are concerned, everyone is a Socialist at eighteen. They vote Left because they have nothing to lose.

Older voters vote Right because they have everything to lose.

[ichkeria]

Young people were out voting in the election Danny, but “older” voters, probably the majority anyway, were also out voting in unprecedented numbers for the conservatives.
And “younger” btw isn’t just 18 year olds

[dannyk13]

Ich, I appreciate that but in fifteen years time they will not be young and maybe the young by then will have become disillusioned with Labour.

[ichkeria]

It’d be a brave person who forecast what politics will be like in 15 years.
In 2005 would anyone have forecast the state we’re in now?
There are a few elections before then anyway

[Mozz71]

//I appreciate that but in fifteen years time they will not be young and maybe the young by then will have become disillusioned with Labour//

Or perhaps after 15 years of Conservatism, they'll be desperate for any type of change?

[ToraToraTora]

the young get very disillusioned by the left when they acquire assets.

[ynnafymmi]

@12.29.At least Blair was electable,none of the present aspirants trying to lead Labour arent going to get the voters ruhing to the polling stations.Better the Devil you know in Blair than any of these incompetent numpties.

[JimF]

"Better the Devil you know in Blair than any of these incompetent numpties"

Couldn't agree more.

[10ClarionSt]

We had all this about the Tories when Blair won his first 2 elections.

[ynnafymmi]

Blair won three elections in his time,i cant see any of these ba-heids ever winning one election,never mind three on the trot.

[andy-hughes]

I have said many times that Labour is welded to a Britain of the past which never actually existed in the last century, and absolutely does not exist in this one.

Their idea that the general population is downtrodden cloth-cap wearing industrial slaves who tug their forelock when the 'master' walks past, and depend on the Union to protect them from the workhouse is a pointless myth perpetuated in the febrile imagination of Jeremy Corbyn.

Corbyn should have spent less time in Islington, and more in the northern constituencies, having found out what the aspirational nation that Blair rode into power on actually thinks, feels, and wants, and it's not to be preached at from the Marist handbook of comrades and brazziers by the factory gates.

Johnson has been gifted this government, and he knows it, and is probably shrewd enough to ensure that he keeps those votes next time, by actually understanding his voters, and working towards bettering their lives.

That's all any PM needs to do, it's not rocket science.

But he or she has to get the post first, and that is something Labour wilfully fail to grasp - you need to get the electorate on your side, and imaginary socialist claptrap is not the way to do it.

[Spicerack]

Labour will not be the opposition in 15 years.