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How Much Force Is Acceptable If Any
The Coronavirus is now described as an imminent threat to the public. Over night we have four more 'confirmed positive' cases doubling the figure to eight in the UK.
One male,casevaced from China is threatening to abscond from quarantine before the fourteen day Quarantine period is over (Thursday) despite signing a condition prior to boarding the flight that he would remain in quarantine.
Although NOT confirmed as a carrier how much force do you think is necessary to ensure this man can be prevented from absconding and are the NHS staff expected to keep him under lock and key?
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The Canadians are quarantining approximately 500 recent visitors to Wuhan at a large air-force base. Now I don't know how physically strict the personnel are enforcing the quarantine, but I imagine it would be much more difficult to "escape" from this base than it would be to simply stroll away from a hospital in the middle of a city.
// The Canadians are quarantining ,,,,,,//
they have a long history of enforcing and confining people for TB tmt, so the law would already be in place
AND
case no 9 is a nurse in a GP surgery in Brighton and so the cat is well and truly out of the bag
( if she were an angel and turning up for work while ill then she cd infect a few thousand wivvart prob)
they have a long history of enforcing and confining people for TB tmt, so the law would already be in place
AND
case no 9 is a nurse in a GP surgery in Brighton and so the cat is well and truly out of the bag
( if she were an angel and turning up for work while ill then she cd infect a few thousand wivvart prob)
Use whatever force is necessary, yes shoot them if you have to.
We should never have flown them home (has anyone seen who is paying for this as I doubt many of them are UK tax payers) but as we did then they should have to abide by our rules - or go back to China and abide by theirs.
Going round infecting people because you want t be 'free' is not acceptable. Especially when you didnt want to live in the country in the first place.
We should never have flown them home (has anyone seen who is paying for this as I doubt many of them are UK tax payers) but as we did then they should have to abide by our rules - or go back to China and abide by theirs.
Going round infecting people because you want t be 'free' is not acceptable. Especially when you didnt want to live in the country in the first place.
// We should never have flown them home //
this is MUCH more contentious surprisingly
freedom to pass and repass into a country IS guaranteed unless limited by legal process by er
the Magna Carta. Yup 1215 if you dont - it is called exile
Exile is bad very bad and King John agreed not to do it. [ Kinda explains why Trump has such difficulty with his executive order against immigration into the land of the free by Muslims]
this is MUCH more contentious surprisingly
freedom to pass and repass into a country IS guaranteed unless limited by legal process by er
the Magna Carta. Yup 1215 if you dont - it is called exile
Exile is bad very bad and King John agreed not to do it. [ Kinda explains why Trump has such difficulty with his executive order against immigration into the land of the free by Muslims]
Remember this selfish idiot.
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how kind of you to refer to Nice Fall girl Dr Ryan who did NOT alter the ebola temperature chart. I attended her GMC hearing where I walked in and heard the counsel say as I entered
" and so what should have happened when they realised?"
" shoulda gone to Northwick Park"
" so it was nothing to do with Dr Ryan?"
"No" and they didnt go to Northwick Park - No
it was later shown Dr R had not altered the forms that someone had leaked to the press that she had ....and the forms had not misled the authorities because the alteration had been pointed out before they left the airport. The failing and the case of Ebola were therefore conclusively found to lie with faults with the system supervised by the PHLS who had ignored the info that they had had at the time.
I said to her parents: I think she is off the hook isnt she?
and the mother said - we have been told they wont give up - the nurse got screwed.
so who had leaked the wrong message to the press and was it to minimise their own liability ? I cant tell you as they are STILL in post - but keeping a very low profile this time round. But which organisation would benefit from someone else taking the heat - cd it be an organisation beginning with P? - orgs and hospital are NOT answerable to the GMC only scapegoats oops doctors I mean
this was the case where a voice from the audience said - "I am not giving evidence to the GMC because I am facing criminal charges"....and Dr Ryan wasnt facing charges. So I thought erm they have got the wrong person havent they? The GMC thought not
this is also the case where Dr Gent of the PHLS said - if you find her guilty ( which they did) no one will ever talk to PHLS again. ( very important for contact tracing and they want the TROOF and not gottle of geer gottle of geer. They are keeping their mouths shut see so they say "gottle" ) - specifically when Dr Gent or one of his cohorts asks - have you been to China Hubei - he does NOT want the answer "what bay? never heard of it, Doc" if you in fact have
and it has all been Very Different this time round.
no volunteers - no PHLS - quarantine centres instead,
no leaks to the press ,no fingerpointing at medical personnel and nurses - Nurse Doo Dah got suspended for 6 m as well - and it was made clear to us that it would be 'unfair' if Dr R didnt get 6 monf suspension.
so yes as you can see
do I remember the case of Dr Ryan ?
yes I do - very well. I was there.
oh, the glasgow case rang up cas in Glasgie and said she had a high temp and was an Ebola contact and was told to hop on the bus and come in and see them! more a learning experience for that one!
how kind of you to refer to Nice Fall girl Dr Ryan who did NOT alter the ebola temperature chart. I attended her GMC hearing where I walked in and heard the counsel say as I entered
" and so what should have happened when they realised?"
" shoulda gone to Northwick Park"
" so it was nothing to do with Dr Ryan?"
"No" and they didnt go to Northwick Park - No
it was later shown Dr R had not altered the forms that someone had leaked to the press that she had ....and the forms had not misled the authorities because the alteration had been pointed out before they left the airport. The failing and the case of Ebola were therefore conclusively found to lie with faults with the system supervised by the PHLS who had ignored the info that they had had at the time.
I said to her parents: I think she is off the hook isnt she?
and the mother said - we have been told they wont give up - the nurse got screwed.
so who had leaked the wrong message to the press and was it to minimise their own liability ? I cant tell you as they are STILL in post - but keeping a very low profile this time round. But which organisation would benefit from someone else taking the heat - cd it be an organisation beginning with P? - orgs and hospital are NOT answerable to the GMC only scapegoats oops doctors I mean
this was the case where a voice from the audience said - "I am not giving evidence to the GMC because I am facing criminal charges"....and Dr Ryan wasnt facing charges. So I thought erm they have got the wrong person havent they? The GMC thought not
this is also the case where Dr Gent of the PHLS said - if you find her guilty ( which they did) no one will ever talk to PHLS again. ( very important for contact tracing and they want the TROOF and not gottle of geer gottle of geer. They are keeping their mouths shut see so they say "gottle" ) - specifically when Dr Gent or one of his cohorts asks - have you been to China Hubei - he does NOT want the answer "what bay? never heard of it, Doc" if you in fact have
and it has all been Very Different this time round.
no volunteers - no PHLS - quarantine centres instead,
no leaks to the press ,no fingerpointing at medical personnel and nurses - Nurse Doo Dah got suspended for 6 m as well - and it was made clear to us that it would be 'unfair' if Dr R didnt get 6 monf suspension.
so yes as you can see
do I remember the case of Dr Ryan ?
yes I do - very well. I was there.
oh, the glasgow case rang up cas in Glasgie and said she had a high temp and was an Ebola contact and was told to hop on the bus and come in and see them! more a learning experience for that one!
The following is a tried and tested statement which has been used many times in HMP.
2.2. The use of force will be justified, and therefore lawful, only:
• If it is reasonable in the circumstances
• If it is necessary
• If no more force than is necessary is used
• If it is proportionate to the seriousness of the circumstances
2.2. The use of force will be justified, and therefore lawful, only:
• If it is reasonable in the circumstances
• If it is necessary
• If no more force than is necessary is used
• If it is proportionate to the seriousness of the circumstances
It would appear that the police have been now empowered to carry out the enforcement,using no more force than necessary, and can restrain with handcuffs if needed.
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