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Michael Leary - Racial Profiling
Michael Leary has been accused of encouraging racism.
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But he's right, isn't he?
When it comes to safety, what's wrong with profiling?
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But he's right, isn't he?
When it comes to safety, what's wrong with profiling?
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Ellipsis, if they're very easy why won't you answer them?
Mozz, //he'd have to select the profiling by who looks the most Muslim. They will, on the whole, be Asian or NE African. //
Well, profiling Africans wouldn't necessarily be restricted to those from NE Africa - see my comments on Nigeria - but that aside, if potential terrorists are more likely to be discovered in that area, what's wrong with that?
Mozz, //he'd have to select the profiling by who looks the most Muslim. They will, on the whole, be Asian or NE African. //
Well, profiling Africans wouldn't necessarily be restricted to those from NE Africa - see my comments on Nigeria - but that aside, if potential terrorists are more likely to be discovered in that area, what's wrong with that?
//Well, profiling Africans wouldn't necessarily be restricted to those from NE Africa - see my comments on Nigeria - but that aside, if potential terrorists are more likely to be discovered in that area, what's wrong with that?//
Then, as I've been saying, if the profiling is based on how people look, surely it becomes racial? Even if the intent isn't racial profiling, its going to drift into that category.
I will state that I'm for more stringent checks on flights, and I don't have solutions, I'm just putting it out there.
Then, as I've been saying, if the profiling is based on how people look, surely it becomes racial? Even if the intent isn't racial profiling, its going to drift into that category.
I will state that I'm for more stringent checks on flights, and I don't have solutions, I'm just putting it out there.
Ellipsis, Then what's your problem with looking for potential terrorists among the most likely group? Bear in mind that it isn't suggested those Muslims travelling with families be included, and further bear in mind that anyone intent on creating havoc isn't going to ensure that none of the passengers travelling on his intended target is Muslim. He's going to kill anyone regardless so seeking these people out is in the interests of all of us - peaceable Muslims too. Only the perpetrators want to die.
You see, naomi, this is why I didn't want to answer your question ... because you then use it to make the classic non-sequitur and conveniently disregard everything else I have written in this thread.
You don't know the first thing about profiling, but you continue to trot out guff like "What's your problem with looking for potential terrorists among the most likely group?"
Sorry, but I'm going to stick to the OP and say when it comes to safety, there's nothing wrong with profiling. It's clearly working very well.
You don't know the first thing about profiling, but you continue to trot out guff like "What's your problem with looking for potential terrorists among the most likely group?"
Sorry, but I'm going to stick to the OP and say when it comes to safety, there's nothing wrong with profiling. It's clearly working very well.
I won't put it aside until people acknowledge, that even if its unintentional, the profiling will, eventually, be based on race.
All which will happen is that the terrorists will start sending their most Western-looking fanatics overseas, and they slip through the profiling. Either that or they start sending an accompanying family member with them. Anyone brainwashed enough to want to kill innocents, wouldn't think twice about sacrificing a partner for "the greater good".
Maybe a better idea will be blanket profiling of flights from specic countries? There are ways around that too, but I have little else.
All which will happen is that the terrorists will start sending their most Western-looking fanatics overseas, and they slip through the profiling. Either that or they start sending an accompanying family member with them. Anyone brainwashed enough to want to kill innocents, wouldn't think twice about sacrificing a partner for "the greater good".
Maybe a better idea will be blanket profiling of flights from specic countries? There are ways around that too, but I have little else.
naomi, I do have an idea of what you know because you told me at 09:20 this morning ... and in much else you've written in this thread, which clearly demonstrates that you don't know the first thing about profiling. As you know yourself, when you do know something about a topic, it's very easy to spot someone who doesn't ... isn't it.
Spicerack, yes, I'm in favour of profiling for the purposes of flight security ... have I written anything that says otherwise?
Spicerack, yes, I'm in favour of profiling for the purposes of flight security ... have I written anything that says otherwise?
Ellipsis, what do you think I ‘need’ to know about profiling that you think I don’t know? Tell me.
Mozz, //even if its unintentional, the profiling will, eventually, be based on race.//
To a degree it must be simply because some countries are wholly, or practically wholly, Muslim, and therefore more likely to number extremists among their inhabitants. That said, Islam isn’t a ‘race’, it isn’t about colour. ethnicity, or nationality so the search among Muslim communities cannot be regarded as ‘racist’…. simply sensible.
Mozz, //even if its unintentional, the profiling will, eventually, be based on race.//
To a degree it must be simply because some countries are wholly, or practically wholly, Muslim, and therefore more likely to number extremists among their inhabitants. That said, Islam isn’t a ‘race’, it isn’t about colour. ethnicity, or nationality so the search among Muslim communities cannot be regarded as ‘racist’…. simply sensible.
No, naomi ... sorry. I'm not going to take time out to educate you. Profiling is already in place and is already working ... the results are clear. You don't need to know anything more than that.
O'Leary said:
> Who are the bombers? They are going to be single males travelling on their own. If you are travelling with a family of kids, on you go; the chances you are going to blow them all up is zero. You can't say stuff, because it's racism, but it will generally be males of a Muslim persuasion. Thirty years ago it was the Irish. If that is where the threat is coming from, deal with the threat."
So O'Leary himself recognised that what he was saying was racist. Ryanair later said Mr O'Leary was "only calling for more effective airport security checks" ... but airport security checks, that already involve way better profiling than O'Leary's simplistic views, are demonstrably very effective and nothing that O'Leary was saying would make them more so.
O'Leary said:
> Who are the bombers? They are going to be single males travelling on their own. If you are travelling with a family of kids, on you go; the chances you are going to blow them all up is zero. You can't say stuff, because it's racism, but it will generally be males of a Muslim persuasion. Thirty years ago it was the Irish. If that is where the threat is coming from, deal with the threat."
So O'Leary himself recognised that what he was saying was racist. Ryanair later said Mr O'Leary was "only calling for more effective airport security checks" ... but airport security checks, that already involve way better profiling than O'Leary's simplistic views, are demonstrably very effective and nothing that O'Leary was saying would make them more so.
Ellipsis, I told you nothing at 9.20 this morning. Since they were reported only a couple of days ago I don’t know if O’Leary’s comments have improved profiling or airport security and neither do you. Given the time frame involved it was a silly question - and sillier still coming from a claimed expert on profiling.
You’re not going to take time to educate me? Poor attempt at deflection, Ellipsis. I’ve mentioned neither protocols nor procedures so whatever you claim to have discerned, you're making it up - again.
You’re not going to take time to educate me? Poor attempt at deflection, Ellipsis. I’ve mentioned neither protocols nor procedures so whatever you claim to have discerned, you're making it up - again.
Something that demonstrates you don't know what you're talking about: "it’s plain common sense to seek those planning harm from the most likely source"
Something that demonstrates O'Leary doesn't know what he's talking about: "If you are travelling with a family of kids, on you go; the chances you are going to blow them all up is zero"
Something that demonstrates O'Leary doesn't know what he's talking about: "If you are travelling with a family of kids, on you go; the chances you are going to blow them all up is zero"
Ellipsis, if you think Islamic terrorists come from any source other than Islam you really have lost the plot. I think, like many, you're concerned about racism and the sensitivities of religion and hence, you refuse to face reality - exactly, as I said, why Muslim grooming gangs were ignored for so long.
A minority of Muslims engage in terrorism, and are supported by many more of the silent majority.
A custody knowledge of the Koran illustrates their motives.
So many imams have preached hatred in their mosques.
Didsbury mosque in Manchester a classic example, where Abdel whatsisname the Manchester arena bomber worshipped.
One day this country will wake up to the growing threat in our midst.
A custody knowledge of the Koran illustrates their motives.
So many imams have preached hatred in their mosques.
Didsbury mosque in Manchester a classic example, where Abdel whatsisname the Manchester arena bomber worshipped.
One day this country will wake up to the growing threat in our midst.
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