Salmond Innocent

[Ken4155]

Just been announced on Radio 2 that he has been found innocent of all charges.

[Neveracrossword]

Steg, many things that the prosecution think will be corroboration often turn out not to be when it comes to being 'tested' in court. This can be crucial, especially in cases such as were mentioned by NJ.

[Peter Pedant]

NJ analysis
That is to say, you have not been found guilty in court.

is OK but thereafter his analysis could be called 'personal' - esp the bits about guilty without a court verdict

not proven and not guilty as the confused discussion shows are almost the same - I wd say the same - that is the Crown has not shown the case beyond reasonable doubt
as 3T loves saying - "end of"

I am so used to a judge saying to those acquitted (!) - "you leave the dock without a stain or your name, you may go that I take not guilty as the same as innocent

I am also aware that when his Lordship has snidely added - "but I think you did it" there are routinely loud squawks of dismay from at least one lawyer

(I am sure this is not clear to my readers)

and finally when Sally Clarke ( a lawyer, note) was found finally innocent of killing her little baby - so many doctors put in print - well we all eally think she did it
that the judge issued a permanent injunction forbidding the making of such comments

finally a second time - do we really think that Lindy Chamberlain really had abducted her little baby ( again ) and killed her? even after the childs chillymeeze was found in a dingos lair . And it was admitted by all and sundry that what Lindy said on the get go ( a dingo has taken my baby! ) had infact happened but disbelieved?

I know this is AB but this is a crazy xorona world in which we live

[steg]

Neveracrossword// Steg, many things that the prosecution think will be corroboration often turn out not to be when it comes to being 'tested' in court. This can be crucial, especially in cases such as were mentioned by NJ.//

True, but NJ only mentioned one person giving evidence as the only evidence, I’m saying if that’s all the evidence there was, it would probably not have got to court in first place because you need corroboration before it goes to court

[New Judge]

//True, but NJ only mentioned one person giving evidence as the only evidence, I’m saying if that’s all the evidence there was, it would probably not have got to court in first place because you need corroboration before it goes to court//

I was only using the rape/sexual offences to demonstrate one scenario where a Not Proven verdict might be delivered. I was employing the "no corroboration" principle as an example to show how a jury may believe a defendant to be guilty but could not convict. It was not meant to be exclusive. We none of us know what evidence was presented at Mr Salmond's trial and speculation is a bit pointless.

[sandyRoe]

Have all those women conspired to blacken his good name?
The judge didn't say: 'You have been very lucky with your jury.'?

[Neveracrossword]

NJ, I knew the point you were making, but Steg seemed to be seeing it differently.

[NickorWan]

//It’s not at all odd that there were eight women. Juries in Scotland consist of fifteen people and since they are chosen at random, 8:7 is a fairly likely outcome (more likely than 8:4 in E&W). //

I am not sure what you mean by 'fairly likely' but given the numbers involved, I would say it is about as likely as any other combination of men and women.

[THECORBYLOON]

If tossing a coin fifteen times, is the outcome of eight heads and seven tails as likely as fourteen heads and one tails?

[NickorWan]

Slightly different case here, because the odds do change after you have drawn each juror, but so insignificantly it hardly makes a difference. I don’t really know the numbers in Scotland, but in England and Wales there will be over 300,000 possible jurors. For arguments sake let’s say there are 150,000 men and 150,000 women. If the first selected at random is a man, is hardly alters the odds on the next one being a man too, and so on. Different story of course if you were picking 12 from a much smaller number where the reducing odds would be noticeable.

[ynnafymmi]

The Devil certainly looks after his own.I wonder how long it will be before he starts lording over us Scots again?Wee Burney has a lot to answer for also.As usual it is us tax-payers that have to pick up the bill.

[Spicerack]

They could always take him to a civil court in Scotland. They might get a different verdict.

[ynnafymmi]

No chance,Spicey.The nationalists who run Scotland will do anything to protect their own.Open season on women in Scotland now.

[steg]

Neveracrossword //NJ, I knew the point you were making, but Steg seemed to be seeing it differently.//

Aye, It seems to be the case, but I think my self and NJ see things pretty much differently on most things

[steg]

//No chance,Spicey.The nationalists who run Scotland will do anything to protect their own.Open season on women in Scotland now//

Aren’t the “nationalists” run by a women?

[steg]

And a feminist at that

[ynnafymmi]

Aye,but she would rather pander to "Wee Eck",than support womens rights.Wee Burney better nae come this # sympathies ever again.Shame on her.metoo

[ynnafymmi]

#metoo.

[steg]

Lol

[albaqwerty]

''Aye,but she would rather pander to "Wee Eck"''
I doubt that very much, some folk think she threw him under the bus

[ynnafymmi]

Obviously she didnt throw him hard enough.Yeah,LOL yersel,Steggie.