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More Stupid People Not Listening To The Advice.
No wonder our death toll is going up when people cant listen to simple advice.
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Your first answer to this thread sums up the title of it. Health workers are more at risk from it in work because of people ignoring the advice given and ending up in hospital because they ignore it but some can't see this and some never will.
08:23 Sun 10th May 2020
> what alternatives do you have?
Simple.
(1)The government will rightly announce a phased relaxation of the lockdown which may take another 6- 12 months to complete, with review points at which it might be decided to reverse a previous relaxation measure or more likely postpone the next one. The plan will try to ensure things are opened up as quickly as possible to help the economy and help us lead as normal as possible lives again, whilst ensuring the inevitable increase in cases and deaths doesn't overwhelm the NHS and make people afraid to go out to work/shops.
(2) People should follow the rules. We shouldn't praise those who stick two fingers up to the rest of society and to the elected government .
The vast majority do actually support a continuation of the lockdown, and want to proceed with great care, as do all the major parties.
Simple.
(1)The government will rightly announce a phased relaxation of the lockdown which may take another 6- 12 months to complete, with review points at which it might be decided to reverse a previous relaxation measure or more likely postpone the next one. The plan will try to ensure things are opened up as quickly as possible to help the economy and help us lead as normal as possible lives again, whilst ensuring the inevitable increase in cases and deaths doesn't overwhelm the NHS and make people afraid to go out to work/shops.
(2) People should follow the rules. We shouldn't praise those who stick two fingers up to the rest of society and to the elected government .
The vast majority do actually support a continuation of the lockdown, and want to proceed with great care, as do all the major parties.
tiggs, 5 to 6 metres is way more than anyone's suggested. If the people in your link were observing the proper distance, what's the problem? (Sorry, I haven't seen any video of this.)
This was Hackney, not a place I go to (and beware of long lenses making people look closer together than they really are)
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This was Hackney, not a place I go to (and beware of long lenses making people look closer together than they really are)
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It’s already gone ‘pear shaped’:
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But you have to remember this scenario is being repeated in just about every 1st World country, thereby creating a new benchmark.
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But you have to remember this scenario is being repeated in just about every 1st World country, thereby creating a new benchmark.
Maybe people aren't being stupid but weighing up the risks and making their own decisions. I know it's hard to prove but my perception is the majority of this virus is concentrated in our care homes and hospitals - not in parks and on amazon parcels. In my working environment a total of 6 people have been tested positive (and thankfully they have all returned to work after a couple of weeks) however every single one of them lived with a healthcare worker.
tiggs, I've always imagined the rule about funerals (and weddings) is that they're these big emotional occasions at which people would normally get close together, so that even if only one guest had it, it would be easily spread around. (I think I read that that's how it spread in Italy - one funeral in the north was attended by family from all over the country.) But in theory if people at a funeral do keep a proper distance apart, it should be no more dangerous than a supermarket. They've just got to not shake hands and hug each other.
Well obviously someone brought it in but once there it has flourished far more than in other other groups of society. It's all very well being righteous and calling people idiots who don't follow government advice but even they don't know, even scientists across the world have differing views on the right way to go.
There is a presumption that anyone catching the virus in the parks and countryside will automatically end up in hospital. A huge percentage of the deaths and hospitalisations are people whose health is already compromised through old age or underlying conditions ( including obesity) and these people are the least likely to be taking exercise in public places.
Normally fit healthy people are not catching the virus in the park or anywhere else for that matter and ending up in hospital. When you call 111 they advise you to stay at home etc we all know the rules now. Its only the very sick that end up in hospital. NHS workers are catching CV-19 because of inadequate protection. They are not catching the virus from 30 somethings sunbathing in the park.
Normally fit healthy people are not catching the virus in the park or anywhere else for that matter and ending up in hospital. When you call 111 they advise you to stay at home etc we all know the rules now. Its only the very sick that end up in hospital. NHS workers are catching CV-19 because of inadequate protection. They are not catching the virus from 30 somethings sunbathing in the park.
This guy didn't fall for the brainwashing
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Naomi24
\\/pretty much all appointments have been cancelled//
What is likely to be the knock-on effect of that, webbo?
As its a dental hospital it will have an effect on some of the patients who are having reconstructive treatment due to cancer, no emergency walk in appointments, its also a teaching hospital so all the yr 5 students who were due to take their finals couldn't and had to do it over the phone, we've gone from between 300-380 patients a day to about 10.
\\/pretty much all appointments have been cancelled//
What is likely to be the knock-on effect of that, webbo?
As its a dental hospital it will have an effect on some of the patients who are having reconstructive treatment due to cancer, no emergency walk in appointments, its also a teaching hospital so all the yr 5 students who were due to take their finals couldn't and had to do it over the phone, we've gone from between 300-380 patients a day to about 10.
The biggest contribution to deaths are the government, bung them in a care home if they seem ok, I'm sure the new slogan will get us through, that should also put the PPE stocks up, or get rid of the dust on the present stock. The people in the park are not doing anything different to the organised street parties on Friday.
i confess i am one of those stupid people, i live in a flat and the only space to go for some exercise is the local park. There were some people sunbathing, and i got talking with a number of people, suitably distanced i might add. It didn't seem wrong somehow, its been a long while to be locked up..
// Well if a judge thinks the law should be broken then there's no hope//
Hi boys - not sunny here - anyone venturing out in panties deserves a medal - and FF I did it first
not - if NJ is a judge we are DDDOOOOOOMMMMED!
but if there is anyone in Downing St or environs thinking like this and lets us face it the govt is stuffed - overstuffed wiv arts grads - then we ARE doomed
I am not a deep thinker like some on this site
and I havent used too much lime in this analysis BUT
the logical thread of NJs multiple posts ( beside "nj admits that the evidence for the prolonged lack of a vaccine is nil" and NJ also agrees that the true statement "well there isnt one now, is there?" does NOT assist him or the argument ) besides that
the thread of the perennial argument is
1) The imperial model "standard SIR tweaked" showed that there would be 500 000 dead people if and when applied to sweden
2) I heard ( NJ did ) Sven the swedish chef speak the other day so there must be at least someone alive there ( sweden that is!)
3) this shows the whole idea of modelling is kaput - or whatever the swedish for kaput is
4) put all the statisticians and epidemiologists on furlough as they are not needed - better fire or shoot them - sell the compjuters for scrap
5) we linguists and ancient historians can run the country better just by guessing = and by golly we are going to have a good go!
6) for an extra five points, I dont think there is an Covid in America - wall probably - it is the usual media hype
QED - and he could be right - ( er pt 1 is obviously wrong)
I jus; doan wanne be part of that experiment
Hi boys - not sunny here - anyone venturing out in panties deserves a medal - and FF I did it first
not - if NJ is a judge we are DDDOOOOOOMMMMED!
but if there is anyone in Downing St or environs thinking like this and lets us face it the govt is stuffed - overstuffed wiv arts grads - then we ARE doomed
I am not a deep thinker like some on this site
and I havent used too much lime in this analysis BUT
the logical thread of NJs multiple posts ( beside "nj admits that the evidence for the prolonged lack of a vaccine is nil" and NJ also agrees that the true statement "well there isnt one now, is there?" does NOT assist him or the argument ) besides that
the thread of the perennial argument is
1) The imperial model "standard SIR tweaked" showed that there would be 500 000 dead people if and when applied to sweden
2) I heard ( NJ did ) Sven the swedish chef speak the other day so there must be at least someone alive there ( sweden that is!)
3) this shows the whole idea of modelling is kaput - or whatever the swedish for kaput is
4) put all the statisticians and epidemiologists on furlough as they are not needed - better fire or shoot them - sell the compjuters for scrap
5) we linguists and ancient historians can run the country better just by guessing = and by golly we are going to have a good go!
6) for an extra five points, I dont think there is an Covid in America - wall probably - it is the usual media hype
QED - and he could be right - ( er pt 1 is obviously wrong)
I jus; doan wanne be part of that experiment
‘There is a presumption that anyone catching the virus in the parks and countryside will automatically end up in hospital’
Not on my part. But those who do, and get severe enough symptoms may well do.
‘Normally fit healthy people are not catching the virus in the park or anywhere else for that matter and ending up in hospital’
Then where are they catching it?
Not on my part. But those who do, and get severe enough symptoms may well do.
‘Normally fit healthy people are not catching the virus in the park or anywhere else for that matter and ending up in hospital’
Then where are they catching it?
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