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We're Being Governed By Retarded Fish
I understand, when leading up to elections etc.. there are phrases and lies, constantly pushed in our faces to persuade us to vote. Now, we have a cross party crisis (A pandemic) and we have Gove just spouting what ever he thinks people want to hear, then he contradicts himself.
This government is dangerous, this man is dangerous. Time for a cull, me thinks.
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This government is dangerous, this man is dangerous. Time for a cull, me thinks.
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No wonder my daughter, and others like her, are anxious about returning to work. "Yes we can guarantee safety." followed very closely by, "None of us can guarantee safety." Clear as mud.
10:33 Mon 18th May 2020
I'm not a big fan of Gove but most of what he said made perfect sense.
"The key thing is that we can make these workplaces safe. You can never eliminate risk, but as we know, it is the case that it is extremely unlikely that any school is likely to be the source of a Covid outbreak and if, for any reason, there are risks we can take steps to mitigate them.”
He added: “We can’t have a situation where we keep our economy, our schools and our public services continually closed down, because the health consequences of doing so would be malign as well."
Where he went wrong was to say initially that he could guarantee that teachers going back to school will be safe. What he said subsequently about minimising risk would have addressed the question.
I have a feeling that schools will not now reopen in early June even on this small scale as too many councils are seeing this as a chance to defy the government and give them a bloody nose. It's sad to see children being used as political weapons. Schools, LAs academies and governors are supposed to have been drawing up plans for well over a month now and some schools are ready.
"The key thing is that we can make these workplaces safe. You can never eliminate risk, but as we know, it is the case that it is extremely unlikely that any school is likely to be the source of a Covid outbreak and if, for any reason, there are risks we can take steps to mitigate them.”
He added: “We can’t have a situation where we keep our economy, our schools and our public services continually closed down, because the health consequences of doing so would be malign as well."
Where he went wrong was to say initially that he could guarantee that teachers going back to school will be safe. What he said subsequently about minimising risk would have addressed the question.
I have a feeling that schools will not now reopen in early June even on this small scale as too many councils are seeing this as a chance to defy the government and give them a bloody nose. It's sad to see children being used as political weapons. Schools, LAs academies and governors are supposed to have been drawing up plans for well over a month now and some schools are ready.
When I buy at item the seller "guarantees" it. But they don't "guarantee" that I won't have to claim under the warranty. Sometimes one needs to understand how a word can be used legitimately yet differently in different sentences. It's about due diligence and best efforts. No one has hindsight before the event, no one should expect certainty, but often one can give a reasonable prediction.
The very short sentence wasn't right, Gromit since clearly no-one would expect anyone to give guarantees about anything being 100% safe. The two very long paragraphs afterwards did make sense and could be seen a s correcting or clarifying his answer.
teacake have you got a link for that? And can you tell me how Hancock is getting on with his testing target that you said couldn't be met (or was it 'more lies'?)
teacake have you got a link for that? And can you tell me how Hancock is getting on with his testing target that you said couldn't be met (or was it 'more lies'?)
You obviously didn't watch Hancock in the early weeks of the pandemic, or you don't wish to be reminded. Also your getting mixed up with tests numbers, just over 100.000 today, but that's not a 100.000 people, as their including retests as always, and according to tonight's news they still only have capacity for 118.000. Ask all the care workers/ care homes if they have been tested yet after being promised a test for the last 2 months? They are continuing to spin you a yard, lie after lie and your sucking it up.
I'm in favour of some logical rules re meeting close family in the easing of lockdown and the opening of more shops. However, schools should not resume until there's a robust track and trace mechanism in place which there clearly isn't at the moment.
Lies and deception - too many to mention but e.g. 100,000 tests a day by end of month - only achieved on a handful of days and many of those were repeat tests on the same person. As for the farcical lack of PPE......and distortion of daily death figures by only disclosing those in NHS hospitals rather than all settings at the beginning of the pandemic........
Lies and deception - too many to mention but e.g. 100,000 tests a day by end of month - only achieved on a handful of days and many of those were repeat tests on the same person. As for the farcical lack of PPE......and distortion of daily death figures by only disclosing those in NHS hospitals rather than all settings at the beginning of the pandemic........
The hospitals settings figure was always explained and anyone who followed the figures knew about the long time lags for other settings but also knew how to get the total figures eventually. Hospitals info was always up to date and was really useful for showing trends and was better for international comparisons. I think it's better now to have everything but really even now doesn't tell anything like the true picture as it's based only on positive tests. Only the ONS Excess Mortaliy will givethe full picture
Lies about PPE, saying they had got a distribution problem, when in fact the PPE central stocks were not there at all due to running them down over ten years, and the stocks they had got were past there sell by date, so they put a new sell buy date on them, saying they had been re-tested, when they were asked for the re-test paperwork by the BBC they couldn't produce it, so then they re-called all that PPE and condemned it. LIES! oh, why did you not ask me on the 1st of May if they had reached they target of 100.000 :0) They have been 17 days late, that's because they hadn't got any tests, when they kept saying they had, LIES, AND the loss of hundreds of lives. Has regards to the defence that every country was having problems with getting PPE, that was after THEY had used up all their central stocks, we had none even to begin with.
Gove is not good at this sort of thing but I'm trying to be fair to him here. In normal circumstances most people would understand "We can guarantee the safety" to mean " we have carried out risk assessments and taken all reasonable steps in consultation with experts and users...".
Can you think of any situation when someone could give an absolute guarantee of safety and people would believe it, TD?
Can you think of any situation when someone could give an absolute guarantee of safety and people would believe it, TD?
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