Jimmy Saville

[sp1814]

Think of it this way...Jimmy Saville.

Whilst he was alive, he raised about £40m for Stoke Mandeville Hospital. He was a hero. A national treasure. He earned an O.B.E.

Then he was knighted.

If in the 1970s, Stoke Mandeville decided to erect a statue in honour of him, knowing what we now know - isn’t it understandable that people would want it removed?

Wouldn’t the children of those that Saville abused not want to see a public monument to him?

[Theland]

If I address the adults, I do not refrain discussing the present situation describing blacks, and whites.
Nobody is offended.
We are all grown up.

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> White culture is on the back foot, and being pushed further and further back, by giving more and more to the demands of BAMEs.

Nice to see a bit of overt racism from the Christian. Don't hide your racist light under a bushel, will you, Theland?

> why don't all we white people take to wearing a new uniform. Sackcloth and ashes should do it.

It's not so much wearing a new uniform, but removing the old one of crowns and tiaras. We are not a superior race, we are equal. That statue was lording it over black people who paid the price of Colston's bequests to charity.

> You are assuming that Derek must have an awareness of history that would only be possible in adults a lot older than he is.

Derek's parents were born in 1950 and 1952. He was born in 1980. He's 40. How old does he have to be? What about his parents, are they old enough?

> Maybe he won't be interested in visiting retribution on people who were not alive when his ancestors we being made slaves, because expecting people to pay the price for the sins of their ancestors is simply not viable, so it's best if we agree to learn from you history and avoid the same mistakes again.

... and leave a statue to a slave trader standing?

> So slavery worked both ways.

This debate isn't about the slave trade of others, it's about our own, and whether we should continue to glorify it.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // If I address the adults, I do not refrain discussing the present situation describing blacks, and whites.
Nobody is offended.
We are all grown up. //

I'm sure you are, and I'm equally sure that you don't refer to black people as 'the blacks', or to your family as 'you blacks' - be honest …