Pastor Who Calls Police Because He Was Assaulted Gets Arrested

[jim360]

https://www.nvdaily.com/nvdaily/pastor-criminal-charge-dropped-struggle-not-finished/article_94cc6488-bf90-5133-b413-6f77ae7133f2.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-pastor-who-called-911-after-alleged-attack-was-arrested-n1231005

Let's be clear here: the pastor did nothing wrong at all. He defended his property, exercising his 2nd Amendment rights, called the police when he needed back-up -- and *he* was the one who ended up arrested, and then charged?

This is the sort of problem that can get lost when focusing on police brutality. There's something broken about a system where this can possibly be the result. Luckily the charges were dropped, and luckily no lives have been ruined, but it seems reasonable that it was a matter of luck rather than judgement. Imagine being told that *you* were the one to be arrested, imagine how easy it would be to lose your temper at the raging injustice, and imagine how easy it would be for a police officer to use your anger as justification for an aggressive response.

[Mozz71]

I'll accept my punishment. :o)

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // How about the group of people tresspassing on your property, shouting abuse and threatening to kill you? He is not allowed to defend himself? //

Of course he is, he dials 911, that's what the police are there for.

Is he entitled to wave a loaded gun around? As a Man of God, no he isn't - that particular avenue of response tends get closed off when you dedicate your life to preaching love and peace for a living.

[Mozz71]

//Of course he is, he dials 911, that's what the police are there for.//

What? To arrest him apparently.

[DTCwordfan]

Yes he is in the States - defending your castle is a right - and your next door neighbour's too if he/she asks you to do so - wit a case in Clearwater, Texas, a next door neighbour plugging 2 of 3 blacks as they ran away from this neighbour's house. He had called the police to say that there was a break-in going on and was told not to intervene and the police would be there - but they didn't arrive in time, so out came the shotgun and one dead and one injured.

Everyman's house his castle - and what reasonable neighbour wouldn't say, in such a situation, 'I asked him to keep an eye on the place while I was way' - the case for murder didn't even make first base in the States (not like that dreadful case with the Essex farmer being jailed for plugging a transient, yet having been subjected to a campaign of theft and the rest.

[andy-hughes]

DTC - // Yes he is in the States - defending your castle is a right … //

The point I am making, ad nauseum, is when you elect God's ministry as your profession, the 'right' to wave lethal weapons at people is no longer within your remit, because it makes you a hypocrite to an unacceptable level.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // What? To arrest him apparently. //

Prefer not to be arrested? Simple, don't wave a gun around!!!

[DTCwordfan]

Shame AH wasn't around to tell the Right Reverend in Northern Ireland not to breath violent fire and brimstone. And I bet quite a percentage of US fathers/rabbis/priests/imans and the rest carry weapons, either concealed or in the open, depending on the individual State law.

[andy-hughes]

DTC - // Shame AH wasn't around to tell the Right Reverend in Northern Ireland not to breath violent fire and brimstone. //

Yet again I have no idea what you are talking about, yet again please don't bother explaining ...

// And I bet quite a percentage of US fathers/rabbis/priests/imans and the rest carry weapons, either concealed or in the open, depending on the individual State law. //

I'm sure they do - and your point is?

You seem to be making a habit of weird and incomprehensible responses, I have no idea what makes you do that, and once again, don't bother to explain ...

[Mozz71]

//Prefer not to be arrested? Simple, don't wave a gun around!!!//

If he's lucky, the police will turn up in time to take him to hospital, but that's okay according to you, because it's God's will.

"When McCray told them to stop, one person proceeded to verbally attack him and the other one went to get three other people."

God's will.

"They were "threatening to kill me... telling me that my Black life didn't matter"

God's will.

//But when authorities arrived, they didn't ask McCray what happened, he said. They spoke to the white family of five who had just attacked him//

God's will.

"McCray "was handcuffed in front of my assaulters" by an officer who has known him from the community for over 20 years, he said, adding "they waved at me as I go down the road""

God's will.

Scared man pulls a weapon as he's afraid for his life.

Arrest him. Denounce his beliefs as he wasn't willing to accept God's will.

Andy continues to spout complete garbage on AB.

God only knows who's will that is.

[Mamyalynne]

Most of us are losing the will at this point.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - You seem to be getting increasingly irate with me because I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy in a Christian minister carrying a loaded gun, and apparently appearing willing to lose it.

You can bang on about 'God's will' as much as you like, I don't subscribe to this faith, and I didn't make the rules about loving your fellow Man and all that, but I do know hypocrisy when I see it, and I call it, and that's all I am doing.

You seem keen to get your trolleys in a robble over it - why not accept my point, the minister is a hypocrite pure and simple.

[andy-hughes]

// … to lose it … //

Should read 'use it' - although maybe 'lose it' works just as well!

[Mozz71]

Not irate at all Andy, only people I give a monkeys about can do that. I just can't see your way of looking at it, that a man should basically not defend himself because it goes against your interpretation of his belief.

Let's be honest though, trying to get you to look at a different point of view is like peeing in the wind, so I'll leave you to wallow in your self importance. Toodle pip.

[royfromaus]

Well there's no question so can andy really be blamed for taking over the thread and taking it down a different avenue to the one jim wanted to take?

[Spicerack]

jim360//It depends I suppose on what you read first, but once you see the full story -- or, at least, as close to the full story as we can get -- it is pretty clearly shocking and appalling.//

Ha ha ha. You make me laugh.
By the by, jim. Lots of guilty people ring the police.

[Mozz71]

//By the by, jim. Lots of guilty people ring the police.//

So the pastor was guilty? The pastor who was released and received a full apology was guilty? And the rednecks who threatened him, and were subsequently nicked by the plods, they're innocent?

Just checking.

[Spicerack]

You've been told off repeatedly for breaking the SO rule.
^That is a particularly egregious example of it.

[Mozz71]

SO, are you using that to avoid answering the question?



I was told off once, and as it was by Andy, I completely ignored it.

[Jackdaw33]

There is nothing wrong with the use of the word 'so' to continue a conversation confirming what the previous speaker had said, and I fail to see why a-h gets his Alans in a Brahms over it.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // I just can't see your way of looking at it, that a man should basically not defend himself because it goes against your interpretation of his belief. //

That's my entire point, it's not 'my' interpretation of his belief, it's his!!

He is the one who decided to be a pastor, spread God's word, making spreading peace and love his profession - so he is breaking his belief, not my 'interpretation' of it.