Smoking Outside Pubs, Cafes Etc.

[Apc2604]

Just interested in who would agree with this amendment.

https://www.google.com/search?q=smoking+outside+ban&oq=smoking+outside+ban&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3j69i60.10469j0j4&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[iluvmargie]

NJ - I've thought it through enough and I'm happy with those thoughts, thank you!

[Ken4155]

ymf, why do you say you are the worst kind of non-smoker because you once used to? I am also an ex-smoker (2009) but I just count my blessings that I had both the incentive (heart attack) and will power/common sense to pack the habit in - though I do still have a ciggy after my Christmas dinner. I think being an ex smoker ought to make one more tolerant to those who cannot go without that nicotine hit.

[Bobbisox1]

I too am an ex smoker of 25 yrs and as I said, I'm not bothered who smokes as long as it's not in my space

[Ken4155]

Apc; I have to disagree with your statement that the smoking ban was not a cause of many pub closures. Prior to the ban, there were 4 pubs within walking distance to one another near me. People visited these pubs on their way from work and of an evening. No-one ever wanted food served in these pubs - not that sort of clientele. 3 of those pubs are now shut, as is another just a couple of hundred yards away. Of course, high rents played their part but, imho, so too did the smoking ban.

[New Judge]

,,But that aside, some none smokers will now attend a pub with a deadly virus.//

Yes possibly. About one in 4,000 I reckon.

[teacake44]

That 1 in 4000 will soon be a percentage of the past in the coming weeks.

[mallyh]

i smoke but there are very inconsiderate smokers as there are dog walkers .we aren't all bad

[Denton]

In Australia there is virtually no place to smoke,apart from your own property,especially Adelaide and Melbourne.

[Apc2604]

Ken, I see your point, but admit ì haven't lived for 60 years plus in a built up area with lots of pubs. Out in the sticks the pubs that closed down were generally because of drink and drive, or that they didn't serve food. Our country pubs are widely spaced, they rely on locals (and the villages aren't very big) but also survive because of their food reputation over a very wide area. We regularly travelled 15 miles and back to our favourite pub which was a 'proper pub'. Our local is three miles away. Neither of us drink when we go to a pub!

[Apc2604]

In all the years we have visited the pub we loved, i cant say that there have been many smokers using the very lovely. area reserved for them in the garden. There are so few smokers nowadays, thankfully.

[Deskdiary]

"That 1 in 4000 will soon be a percentage of the past in the coming weeks."

I totally agree - I reckon 1 in 5000 in a couple of weeks.

"NJ - I've thought it through enough and I'm happy with those thoughts, thank you!"

Why do you get so touchy? You do understand this is an anonymous interweb site don't you? Why would you care what another poster says?

There's a few on this site who I consider to be complete dribbling idiots, and I have no doubt those same people think I am. I couldn't care any less if I tried, and I hope they don't either.

[Apc2604]

/There's a few on this site who I consider to be complete dribbling idiots, and I have no doubt those same people think I am. I couldn't care any less if I tried, and I hope they don't either/

DD you have best answer for this alone!

[ToraToraTora]

DD: "They’re already social pariahs, even though the tax from smokers is £12bn a year, so to drive them away is madness. " - damn I should have started a countdown! Smokers pay around £6bn and they cost at least £25bn - they always ignore the indirect costs of course, disgusting shower of unpleasantness that they are.

[Deskdiary]

More than happy to be proved wrong Tora, but the last numbers I saw were £12bn in tax receipts and an estimate of between £2bn and £6bn (massive range of an estimate that!) of costs to the NHS for smoking related diseases.

The indirect costs are nebulous and unquantifiable; for example the costs of people taking smoking breaks, or the costs to clean up after smokers...even though street cleaners would be cleaning anyway.

So, as I say, happy to be proved wrong, but I doubt I will be.

[iluvmargie]

Deskdiary, please don't pick on me, it won't change me one iota and I had better not say what I think of your ramblings, I'd be banned FOREVER !!!

[Deskdiary]

Here you go Tora.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/18/comes-smokers-burden-nhs-may-contribute-tax-take/

Margie - you've just totally proven my point. Why are you taking umbrage on an anonymous site?

Thanks for the BA apc.

[Deskdiary]

^^^oh dear!

[fender62]

i remember smoking on air planes, me on a 747 to new york in the 70's there was a spiral staircase..not sure if all had bars up there, my flight did..scotch on the rocks and a fag..

[tomus42]

I can't access the link, but I'm guessing someone wants to ban smoking outside of pubs, in which case NewJudge is right. The smokers will just go and stand outside of whatever is next door to the pub.