Pc Harpers Death Verdict

[fender62]

manslaughter...and they laugh and one says i don't give a ***, what s with the law today
they should get life or the end of a rope, latter preferred.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8556433/Teenage-driver-PC-Andrew-Harper-case-not-guilty-murder.html

[Ken4155]

We can only hope that their sentences reflect the horror of their crime.

[Zacs-Master]

That's a harrowing read. Scum.

[Mamyalynne]

That was a sickening crime.

[jno]

doesn't sound like murder to me. You actually have to intend to kill someone.

[Baldric]

Hanging is too good for them, treat them to some of the same.

[ladybirder]

I suppose they'll be heroes in prison as they killed a cop.
No remorse shown at all. I've never met them but I hate them.

[Jackdaw33]

/You actually have to intend to kill someone.\\

No, you don't. Intent to kill or cause GBH. If a reasonable person could foresee that GBH might be a result of the action, that is sufficient to prove intent.

[Gromit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8498173/Killer-dragged-PC-Andrew-Harper-death-feels-disgraceful-court-hears.html

He pleaded guilty and in testimony he showed some remorse. So that will have a bearing on the sentence.

[Lie-in King]

I'd like to see the longest allowable sentences applied to this trio of cowards and for them to be served in full.

[dannyk13]

They should have been charged with murder.
//
The necessary intention exists if the defendant feels sure that death, or serious bodily harm, is a virtual certainty as a result of the defendant's actions and that the defendant appreciated that this.

[Prudie]

OMG OMG so they knew he was being dragged, they knew death was pretty much inevitable and they did nothing about it and yet you don't think that makes them intent on killing him Jno? Do you think they they hoped he'd just get up and walk away unscathed then?

[dannyk13]

^this was the case^

[Barsel]

Surely they must have known the policeman would die due to their actions? As I see it, they murdered him. If they hadn't intended to murder him, they wouldn't have done what they did.

[Jackdaw33]

60 years ago it would have been the rope. Police killers were never reprieved, with one peculiar exception.

[fender62]

this makes a mockery of the law, ie you can kill murder and get off pretty lightly..sets a precedent for all future killers, i wonder how long they would have got.. say if they did an armed bank robbery, compared to the pc's murder.

[Gromit]

Prudie,
It might help if you read the links.

// [Long] He said he was unaware Pc Harper was attached to his car, adding: 'If I was aware I would have stopped the vehicle, tried to save him.'

Mr Scamardella said: 'Did you ever have any intention to hurt him? Or kill him?'

Long said: 'Not in any way.' //

[AuntPollyGrey]

Jackdaw //If a reasonable person could foresee that GBH might be a result of the action, that is sufficient to prove intent..//

Its a bit more complicated than that.

Premeditated intent to kill is Murder
Intent without premeditation is Manslaughter
No intent to kill that results in a death is Involuntary Manslaughter.

[dannyk13]

Gromit, they would say that wouldn't they.

[webbo3]

I'm pretty sure by the handling you would know there was something attached to your car, and as you had just had a run in with a police officer it may be a good idea to look.

[Jackdaw33]

Premeditation doesn't come into it. Anyway you can't have intent without premeditation.