Pc Harpers Death Verdict

[fender62]

manslaughter...and they laugh and one says i don't give a ***, what s with the law today
they should get life or the end of a rope, latter preferred.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8556433/Teenage-driver-PC-Andrew-Harper-case-not-guilty-murder.html

[aelmpvw]

any remorse being shown now is likely to be down to self interest rather that sincere regret

[Zacs-Master]

'They should have been charged with murder.'

They were. 'Long and his two friends Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole, both 18, were all accused of murder'

[Prudie]

Gromit accepted it depends which report is telling the truth, in the link it says he did know
"For over a mile he was towed helplessly behind the Seat Toledo by his feet as the car reached speeds of up to 60mph with driver Henry Long, 19, swerving violently to try and release the stricken officer."

[dannyk13]

This case is nearly parallel with the one under discussion:-
http://www.e-lawresources.co.uk/DPP-v-Smith.php

[webbo3]

can the family of pc Harper appeal.

[dannyk13]

No.

[Jackdaw33]

That is the very case I was referring to above. The Court of Appeal substituted a conviction for manslaughter but the House of Lords overturned this and reinstated the conviction for murder. Because Smith had been removed from the condemned cell the Home Secretary announced that he would not hang.

[Jackdaw33]

The family can't appeal but the DPP can.

[dannyk13]

Jack, I remember the case because at the time I was sitting my sergeants exam.It has stuck in my mind ever since.

[Ellipsis]

> they should get life or the end of a rope, latter preferred.

Slightly unfortunate choice of words there! But life is available for manslaughter and let's hope it can be applied in this case.

[Gromit]

They were all cleared of murder.
Long pleaded guilty to manslaughter, the other two pleaded not guilty, but were convicted.

The jury must have accepted that they did not intend to kill the officer, but their actions resulted in the death. Clearing them of murder but convicting them of manslaughter.

[emmie]

can't understand the manslaughter charge, but i am not in the judiciary. They should get hefty sentences for killing PC Harper, but i bet they don't...

[jno]

they knew death was pretty much inevitable

how did you manage to read their minds, Prudie? And if you magically did so, how would you prove it?

The jury who actually heard the case thought otherwise.

[dannyk13]

jno.They did not have to foresee death, only that harm would be caused.

[ToraToraTora]

scum, deaths too good for them.

[bednobs]

I see that the jury had ti be protected throughout the trial as there was hints they would be intimidated

[Peter Pedant]

// doesn't sound like murder to me. You actually have to intend to kill someone.//

no matter how the Beeb et al played it - including laughing at the committal - (*) it was obvious that there was no intention to kill nor even end life.

the relevant fact was - the quad bike was released and the rope was on the ground and PC stepped in it like a noose

(*) may have been told that even manslaughter by gross negligence was in question. this may have been constructive manslaughter - death occurring during but not because of another unlawful act

come on punters, to convict someone of some thing they really have to have done it and not been near it

[derek-33]

pc harper thansk goodness what knocked unconscious immediately he fell backward according to the autopsy report, severe brain damage, its the only comfort to his wife, and yes the longest sentence the judge can give the scum

[Peter Pedant]

// the jury had to be protected throughout, as there were hints they would be intimidated//

this is not news BN - 'we' had unreported shouts of - "it had better be acquittal!" - which they gurlz on 'my' jury went frizzy about and the men determined to bring in staves the next day(!)

and the judge offered to let us go - he had powers to continue the case without the jury under one of the criminal law amendment acts

( we stayed. no staves)