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Will Schools Reopen?
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much debate in the media about schools and their reopening over the last few days - with the government suggesting children are not super spreaders, countered by Neil Ferguson saying that they are. and along with suggestions by the Association of Schools and College Leaders that children could only attend on a rota basis, is the NEU's 200 point checklist to be satisfied before schools should reopen.
no link - google "schools" in the news tab and then read it in the media that supports your point of view. but the NEU list is not a right-wing media invention, it does exist, here - https:/
what chance of the list being satisfied before opening day, or compromises being reached? or will the schools remain closed, or partly closed?
no link - google "schools" in the news tab and then read it in the media that supports your point of view. but the NEU list is not a right-wing media invention, it does exist, here - https:/
what chance of the list being satisfied before opening day, or compromises being reached? or will the schools remain closed, or partly closed?
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No restrictions on the number you can have in a classroom?
I am afraid you are just making stuff up Gromit.
Are you seriously suggesting that when schools reopen there won;t be a limit on class sizes? Which there already is anyway, roughly equivalent to the current funeral rules (which, honestly, are completely irrelevant anyway)
I am afraid you are just making stuff up Gromit.
Are you seriously suggesting that when schools reopen there won;t be a limit on class sizes? Which there already is anyway, roughly equivalent to the current funeral rules (which, honestly, are completely irrelevant anyway)
It's pretty obvious that schools opening contribute to the economy, both indirectly (because that way parents will feel more free to do their day jobs), directly (because of the need to buy and maintain school supplies, and through teachers' and other staff's salaries, etc.) and because we kind of need an educated workforce to keep providing recruits for future jobs. So the idea that "schools don't contribute to the economy" especially as compared to pubs, is bizarre.
As far as I am aware the evidence on schools' contribution to spread of Covid-19 is mixed, to say the least, but -- again, in a situation that may change -- we at least have the luxury of relatively low levels of the disease at the moment. My instinct is to prefer that schools should reopen unless it's clear that doing so would be devastating.
As far as I am aware the evidence on schools' contribution to spread of Covid-19 is mixed, to say the least, but -- again, in a situation that may change -- we at least have the luxury of relatively low levels of the disease at the moment. My instinct is to prefer that schools should reopen unless it's clear that doing so would be devastating.
In June the Government told parents to send their children back to school. They didn’t.
The Government is now saying September to reopen. I do not know if parents will obey this time.
Obviously children have to go back sometime. But if the result is more spikes and more local lockdowns, then it could be counter-productive.
The Government is now saying September to reopen. I do not know if parents will obey this time.
Obviously children have to go back sometime. But if the result is more spikes and more local lockdowns, then it could be counter-productive.
>""In June the Government told parents to send their children back to school. They didn’t."
Perhaps you misunderstood. In June Boris wanted schools to open for year 10 (and 12 for sixth forms) and in Primary Schools for years 6 ,1 and Reception. Some schools opened and got reasonably high attendance rates for those age groups, some schools opened in July instead as they needed more time, and a few didn't because councils and unions objected. I remember in Liverpool the council insisted schools stay closed and then in July were encouraging them to open
Perhaps you misunderstood. In June Boris wanted schools to open for year 10 (and 12 for sixth forms) and in Primary Schools for years 6 ,1 and Reception. Some schools opened and got reasonably high attendance rates for those age groups, some schools opened in July instead as they needed more time, and a few didn't because councils and unions objected. I remember in Liverpool the council insisted schools stay closed and then in July were encouraging them to open
From the health point of view there are two distinct groups within schools to consider, pupils and teachers. The teachers are adults but the pupils are children. Interestingly, in at least one country where extremely detailed information/records and scientific analysis are available, when Covid is discussed children are seen as being quite different from adults.
There they have found cases of adults infecting children but not one of a child infecting an adult. Yes, they can actually state this because from the outset they have analysed the mutations in the virus and can tell from which part of the globe infection came and even who infected whom within the country. This means that adults are primarily the problem, they can pick up an infection and pass it among each other and to children. In that particular country, while class sizes have been reduced and part-timing introduced as a result, junior schools were never closed nor daycare centres (unless staff infection arose). Right now anyone born in 2005 or after is exempt from Covid restrictions such as the 2m rule (just reintroduced after many weeks of normal life). The country in question was spectacularly successful in stopping the original onslaught, the second one being fought out at the moment. I can't see that biologically anything should be different in the UK although just about everything else is. Why could then schools not reopen ?
There they have found cases of adults infecting children but not one of a child infecting an adult. Yes, they can actually state this because from the outset they have analysed the mutations in the virus and can tell from which part of the globe infection came and even who infected whom within the country. This means that adults are primarily the problem, they can pick up an infection and pass it among each other and to children. In that particular country, while class sizes have been reduced and part-timing introduced as a result, junior schools were never closed nor daycare centres (unless staff infection arose). Right now anyone born in 2005 or after is exempt from Covid restrictions such as the 2m rule (just reintroduced after many weeks of normal life). The country in question was spectacularly successful in stopping the original onslaught, the second one being fought out at the moment. I can't see that biologically anything should be different in the UK although just about everything else is. Why could then schools not reopen ?
Result, Gromit. The government has responded to your plea.
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My kids’ school currently intends to open but the procedures for doing so seem overly complicated (and it’s only a very small school). However, no one has addressed how the kids will actually get there - they currently use one double decker bus that is packed to capacity (including kids standing). Boy #2 is starting sixth form and no information has been forthcoming apart from he will enrol virtually. Boy #1 is meant to be resuming his ambulance placement at the end of September but that is now on hold. It is very unsettling for them and also unfair (my kids have kept their heads down, got on with the work set and socially distanced throughout).
"Ich, pubs contribute to the economy, which badly needs a kick start, schools don't."
Not if my bank account is anything to go by.
My son starts secondary school in September and I've just spent the thick-end of £500 having to kit him out with the compulsory uniform requirements, all of which had to be purchased from a single supplier as every bit of kit, other than the trousers, has the school's badge on (even the trousers are a particular grey, so you can't get away with going to M&S).
BTW, this is a state school, so it's not as if we were buying straw boaters or a sculling boat for the rowing club!
Not if my bank account is anything to go by.
My son starts secondary school in September and I've just spent the thick-end of £500 having to kit him out with the compulsory uniform requirements, all of which had to be purchased from a single supplier as every bit of kit, other than the trousers, has the school's badge on (even the trousers are a particular grey, so you can't get away with going to M&S).
BTW, this is a state school, so it's not as if we were buying straw boaters or a sculling boat for the rowing club!
//Parents will safeguard and look after their children for as long as it is necessary. They will not obey the Government if their children are not safe.//
I’m afraid that parents need to understand that their children are probably more at risk of falling over in the playground and fracturing their skull than they are of contracting a disease that will cause them anything but minor problems. If they don’t understand that, how long do they expect to keep their children away from school and how long do they expect the taxpayer to pay them to stay at home to look after them?
//If you were Boris would you want the schools to open in September?//
Yes.
//If so, what words could he say that would satisfy those unions who are against it,…
Go back to work as normal or have your pay stopped.
//…those parents and teachers who are nervous?//
Get a grip.
I’m afraid that parents need to understand that their children are probably more at risk of falling over in the playground and fracturing their skull than they are of contracting a disease that will cause them anything but minor problems. If they don’t understand that, how long do they expect to keep their children away from school and how long do they expect the taxpayer to pay them to stay at home to look after them?
//If you were Boris would you want the schools to open in September?//
Yes.
//If so, what words could he say that would satisfy those unions who are against it,…
Go back to work as normal or have your pay stopped.
//…those parents and teachers who are nervous?//
Get a grip.
woofgang, no secret although it is so rarely mentioned that I sometimes wonder if that is in order to avoid an embarrassing comparison being drawn as to what was and remains possible - it's Iceland, the one where I find info is most easily obtainable (in spite of the wealth of detail at hand) but factually something similar quite possibly applies elsewhere. They are no miracle workers, but they are perhaps exceptionally united and then just get on with it sensibly.
‘Johnson tried to insist schools would reopen on 1st June, but parents weren’t convinced and it didn’t happen.’
Horsepoo. I work in the Sixth Form of a large comp. Every year 12 lesson that was put on had practically 100% attendance, except for a very small minority of students who were advised to shield due to complex medical issues. Parents and students alike couldn’t wait for lessons to restart.
Horsepoo. I work in the Sixth Form of a large comp. Every year 12 lesson that was put on had practically 100% attendance, except for a very small minority of students who were advised to shield due to complex medical issues. Parents and students alike couldn’t wait for lessons to restart.
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