Last Night Of The Proms..racist

[fender62]

do you find the songs mentioned racist, cherry picking whats racist seems the new witch hunt.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8657909/Academics-demand-Rule-Britannia-Land-Hope-Glory-BANNED-Night-Proms.html

[Togo]

//Brahms. Debussy. Really?//

I never realised that Brahms and Debussy were black. Just goes to show.

[ichkeria]

The link appears to be about not having Land of Hope and Glory and Rule Britannia, unless I’ve misunderstood. Not about banning Elgar (generally), Brahms, Debussy etc.
Two traditional features of the last night. Hence my point

[diddlydo]

The usual songs/music will not be banned so please keep up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53895000

[Mamyalynne]

Patience was all that was needed.

[Zacs-Master]

It is true the the Proms are a celebration of Imperial Britain which is, to some BRitish people with colonial roots, a reminder of how their ancestors were exploited.

I don’t think any right thinking person could or would argue with that.

[Theland]

Oh yes, no surprises there seeing the name of the racist anti white Kehinde Andrews in the headline.
He also thinks our flags and Churchill are racist, and he has more in his cross hairs.
I wish we had a strong leader who would storm into his university, and sack him, along with all the senior BBC management.

[ichkeria]

“ Patience was all that was needed.”

A nice bit of Gilbert and Sullivan indeed to lighten the mood ;-)

[andy-hughes]

Anyone with a passing interest in modern culture will be aware that the ability to 'see' racism, or any other unacceptable aspect of perceived intention in just about anything is there for the taking - so anyone who wants to see the Proms songs as 'racist' can do so with considerable ease.

Having watched the Last Night a few times, personally I find the presentation equally jingoistic and faintly silly, but neither enough to get my trollies in a robble.

The present Mrs Hughes is a fan and tunes in, I go and read a book or listen to some music.

[Theland]

There was a lot wrong with Colonialism, but there was far more right with it.
Look how the countries in Africa are doing now? Not very well.

[Theland]

Mrs Hughes has impeccable taste.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Look how the countries in Africa are doing now? Not very well. //

I believe that view is based on the notion that - having taken over large swathes of African countries, the Empire educated the people just enough to exploit them for as long as was feasible, until not unreasonable uprising and resentment drove it out - and therefore it is the fault of the indigenous people that they didn't continue their exploitation and just shut up and be grateful.

The problems facing African nations are a vast and seriously complex combination of war, corruption, disease, climate, and ignorance - and to neatly sum them all up as simply missing Whitey's 'benign' influence is to utterly misunderstand what's going on in the world.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Mrs Hughes has impeccable taste. //

I wonder - she also likes listening to Elaine Page!!!!

[pixie374]

A great singer, tbf!

[Mamyalynne]

No whoop whooping and waving little flags yet?

Thought the news would have been treated with glee.

[Mozz71]

//No whoop whooping and waving little flags yet?

Thought the news would have been treated with glee.//

I think some are ignoring it so they can carry on with their little xenophobic rants a little while longer.

[Mamyalynne]

Ah, I may run outside and shout 'Woke' - hope the neighbours don't send for help.

[Jackdaw33]

To give some credence to Theland's remarks one only has to look at Rhodesia. From bread basket of Africa to basket case of Africa in next to no time.

[andy-hughes]

Jackdaw - // To give some credence to Theland's remarks one only has to look at Rhodesia. From bread basket of Africa to basket case of Africa in next to no time. //

You may see that as giving Theland's simplistic approach some desperately needed creedence, I don't at all.

[Zacs-Master]

So?

[andy-hughes]

So nothing.

I was expressing an opinion, it's what most people do in a discussion.