Bad Tests And False Positives

[pastafreak]

This is a rather long, but fascinating article
Written by a biomedical research scientist, he analyses whats wrong with the current testing procedure, why it's producing so many false positives (more than we've been told), and...yes...Matt Hancock has a lot to answer for. I've waded through about 3/4 of it. It's not easy reading, but worthwhile.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/

[dannyk13]

Naomi. // it’s rather selfish of you to expect anyone to accept job losses and hence, poverty//
Where did I make any mention of this? My post was purely in answer to ymb's post.

[naomi24]

danny, on every thread you contribute to on this subject you kick against a return to normal life.

[TrevorThePug]

"Hospital admissions and deaths rising much less again. All at manageable and more or less expected levels."

Just you wait until the weather gets colder again.

[dannyk13]

Naomi // you kick against a return to normal life.//
I have never said this, in fact I would welcome a return to normal life so that I could have my family at home.I do think that if we return too early it will cause a lot more deaths.

[naomi24]

I know you do, danny, but for the reasons I've given we can't continue as we are - and nor should we. We shouldn't jeopardise the economy - the future of this country - or penalise the rest of the population in order to protect those who are in a position to isolate and protect themselves.

[dannyk13]

Naomi//penalise the rest of the population in order to protect those who are in a position to isolate and protect themselves.//
I agree with you, but it is not only the elderly who are succumbing to Covid 19.

[naomi24]

danny, you know as well as I do that the people most likely to die from this virus are elderly and suffering with other conditions. Very few of the rest are adversely affected. We can't keep making excuses. We have to learn to live with it because life has to go on. It must.

[dannyk13]

Naomi // because life has to go on. It must//
I agree, maybe it is time to adopt a system whereby anybody at risk should be shielded as they are now and try letting the rest carry on as normal and see what happens.

[naomi24]

That's exactly what should be happening, danny.

[jim360]

// There were 478 people admitted to hospital on Sunday - up from 386 - which means 92 new admissions. From a population of 66 odd million ... //

This is misleading: there were 478 people admitted on Sunday, which means 478 new admissions, an increase of 92 new admissions from before. The numbers are still smaller than in March-May, but we may as well get them right.

This is also misleading because it ignores the fact that there has been a trend upwards for the last month. I'm not sure what constitutes a reasonable projection, but we are seeing the number of deaths creeping up again and I don't think we can expect to have reached the peak for a while yet.

[naomi24]

Oops! Smacked legs for me. I left out 'an increase' - but I think those who try to get the point I'm making ... do. Others will continue scaremongering.

[jim360]

I don't think the error destroyed your point, if that's any consolation. On the other hand, suggesting that people who disagree are merely "scaremongering" does. The trend is, at the very least, concerning. I'd expect that better medical practice should ensure that the second peak is less severe than the first, but I also expect that we aren't at this peak yet.

[Sqad]

Jim of course is correct, it is also the speed of infection rates that indicate that we are experiencing a new and potentially lethal,with unknown long term effects,virus.

As I have said throughout the last 8 months that Herd Immunity by chance has already been in existence, that is my definition of H I and not the scientific one based on percentage immunity of the population.

Herd Immunity is the only way forward as the population (mainly the under 50,so do not adhere to the social restrictions.

It will be interesting to look back in 20years time and see if the cancer and cardiovascular survival rates have deteriorated due to the effect of Covid restrictions.
My opinion......they will be just the same.

[naomi24]

Jim, an omission rather than an error - and I'm not 'suggesting' people are scaremongering. They are - and you're one of them. Given that the actual number affected by this virus, from a population of 66-plus million, can truthfully be described as miniscule, the fact that the scientists advising the government continue to hold this nation in the grip of fear is patently absurd. Left to the doom-mongers the country will be on its knees economically, businesses together with the jobs they provide will go, unemployment will soar along with the demand on the public purse, those with conditions neglected because the virus has taken precedence will die, the mental health of the population will suffer, and the overall effects of all of that will impact far more negatively than the virus ever will. Perspective, together with plain common sense, has been utterly abandoned in favour of hysteria. Utter madness ... in my opinion.

[TrevorThePug]

All those points ^^^ sound awfully like...... scaremongering.

[naomi24]

Not at all, Trevor. It's happening as we speak.

[TrevorThePug]

Again....scaremongering.

Or it could be just posturing with your own psychological projections.

[naomi24]

Haaaa! That's a new one! How funny. :o)

[Peter Pedant]

its is not worth reading
and not worth while
90% false positive - NEEEEEXT!

one point - only -
positive PCR is taken as contagious

he says that is wrong 90% of the time
and if that wer ethe case - there should be bloody great kinks in the graphs - at the point when testing came in

there arent ( the data is out there)

point is therefore not valid

[TrevorThePug]

Thank you. I'm glad you see the paradox of your own comments.