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This Postcode Lockdown Isn't Working
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I feel there should be a short sharp lockdown for a month or give in and say
"This is here to stay, so let's get on best way we can now"
I feel there should be a short sharp lockdown for a month or give in and say
"This is here to stay, so let's get on best way we can now"
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I depends what the "short sharp lockdown" aims to achieve. If it is to reduce the rate of infection for a short period it will probably succeed in that aim here and there. If it has any longer term aims in mind it is a waste of time. Lockdowns simply kick the can down the road (if they manage that). It will be interesting to see what Wales does on Nov 9th when what it laughingly calls its "firebreak" is due to end. One thing is sure - they will have no idea what effect it has had in just 17 days. Because of that my view is that it will be extended. Meantime their economy and the remainder of their health service continues to burn.
//Yes but the second option would be reversed when hospital carpark are full of Corona patients on trollys waiting for beds//
You keep on saying this (or similar) and I keep on asking "Why should that be"? At times in April there were three times the number of hospital admissions, twice the number of patients in hospital and three times the number on mechanical ventilation as there have been this week. The health service didn't even come close to being overwhelmed then (when many of the major casualties were among elderly patients who had contracted the virus because they lived in nursing homes which had seen an influx of infected people who had been chucked out of hospitals).
The country is already under stringent restrictions (and in many areas they are being widely ignored). The further restrictions that are proposed involved closing don hospitality entirely and closing non-essential shops. There is no evidence that these venues are the source of most new infections. Far from it, in fact.
You keep on saying this (or similar) and I keep on asking "Why should that be"? At times in April there were three times the number of hospital admissions, twice the number of patients in hospital and three times the number on mechanical ventilation as there have been this week. The health service didn't even come close to being overwhelmed then (when many of the major casualties were among elderly patients who had contracted the virus because they lived in nursing homes which had seen an influx of infected people who had been chucked out of hospitals).
The country is already under stringent restrictions (and in many areas they are being widely ignored). The further restrictions that are proposed involved closing don hospitality entirely and closing non-essential shops. There is no evidence that these venues are the source of most new infections. Far from it, in fact.
But it depends on what you mean by 'works'. I must admit at present I am unsure what the objective is.
Lockdown will not get rid of the disease, all it achieves is to lower the numbers then when you come out it flares up again. Plus if you have a severe lockdown then you get no immunity in the community so the virus can run rampant.
Since this is Worldwide unless we can eradicate it pretty much 100% around the globe then it will be with us for ever.
Best thing to do is to learn to live with it and keep the economy going so at least we have funds for the NHS and social care and maybe fine an effective and cheap vaccine at some point in the future.
Lockdown will not get rid of the disease, all it achieves is to lower the numbers then when you come out it flares up again. Plus if you have a severe lockdown then you get no immunity in the community so the virus can run rampant.
Since this is Worldwide unless we can eradicate it pretty much 100% around the globe then it will be with us for ever.
Best thing to do is to learn to live with it and keep the economy going so at least we have funds for the NHS and social care and maybe fine an effective and cheap vaccine at some point in the future.
//NJ, on the News at Ten last night a doctor wass interviewed and he stated that there were already more beds in ICU occupied than there were in April.//
Maybe in his own hospital Danny, I don't know. What I do know is that the day before yesterday there were 957 patients across the UK on mechanical ventilation (whom I imagine are in ICUs). On April 12th that figure stood at 3,301. Those are from the government's own figures which you can find here:
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Maybe in his own hospital Danny, I don't know. What I do know is that the day before yesterday there were 957 patients across the UK on mechanical ventilation (whom I imagine are in ICUs). On April 12th that figure stood at 3,301. Those are from the government's own figures which you can find here:
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clearly are judge doesnt beleive the NHS professionals and the scientists. Waste of time trying to give him/her facts danny. The deaths are shooting up and still some peopel want to risk lots more deaths or argue oldies would of died in the next few years anyway so dont count.
What we have now arent really lockdowns, you can still go to bars, shop, have workmen round, schools are open in England, and theres still to many breaking rules by partys or visiting others or not wearing masks and passing it on.
Yes we may have to live with corona eventully if the numbers never drop whatever we do but maybe we'd need to get all partys to agree that we except maybe 100000 corona deaths ayear
What we have now arent really lockdowns, you can still go to bars, shop, have workmen round, schools are open in England, and theres still to many breaking rules by partys or visiting others or not wearing masks and passing it on.
Yes we may have to live with corona eventully if the numbers never drop whatever we do but maybe we'd need to get all partys to agree that we except maybe 100000 corona deaths ayear
dannyk, I doubt very much if they are all Covid cases, though. We are now in the flu season, but once again the daily mortality figs. (or any others, for that matter) are not being put into perspective. No surprise there, then. I am waiting for the government to cave into SAGE once again (even though their models and predictions have so far been way out), and lock us down. All it will do is prolong this madness.
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