Trouble Ahead.

[gulliver1]

Oh dear , "More people than ever now think Brexit was a Bad Idea, says the latest" "YouGov Poll" . And it aint even kicked in yet .

[ichkeria]

"it is utter folly to go against the democratic process"

I don't think that is happening with Brexit is it?
Nor, actually is it happening in the US

[Mozz71]

Refusing to acknowledge or accept when you've lost is to try and deny the democratic process from taking place.

[TrevorThePug]

"Refusing to acknowledge or accept when you've lost "

Who, what, where, why, when?

[ichkeria]

"Refusing to acknowledge or accept when you've lost is to try and deny the democratic process from taking place."

As far as Brexit goes, that argument is now obsolete.
We have fulfilled the democratic result of the referendum and left the EU.
What happened before was due to no one being able to agree on how it should be done.
As for the US, they've just had a plainly very free and fair election, and despite the hollering and stamping of feet, the democratic process will be followed.
Of course, there may be doubt in that process instilled by certain elements, and that could be a serious problem, but it's a different issue.

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, //Of course trade deals are good: but now we need just one for 27 countries, not 27. We don't like them THAT much! //

So what? They'll be the ones facing restrictions, not us. If the EU prevents them trading with us (and it won't because it would be shooting itself in the foot) we'll trade elsewhere. There's a big world out there. I've no idea what your final sentence means.

[ichkeria]

Not sure I understand the relevance of any of that, naomi, to what I was arguing, which is simply that having a large trading block next to us means we can do a one size fits all deal rather than having to do it multiple times

[ToraToraTora]

Ich: "It certainly is not in the UK's interests for the EU to cease to be, that's for sure. Apart from anything else, think of all those separate trade deals :-) " - I know, what if all the countries of Europe formed a trading bloc, we could call it, The Common Market...........hang on!

[ichkeria]

We could have stayed in the single market ...

It was an option at least

[New Judge]

//Some points to consider.//

Yes, let’s consider some of the points you raised:

//Sovereignty? Haven't we still got big ears and his mum in charge? What's changed?//

How silly do you want to get? The monarch in the UK long ago ceased to have power of any significance over the country’s affairs. Have a good read up about how and when that happened and then let us know if you still think “big ears and his mum” remain in charge. A very good ceremonial representation of the current situation can be witnessed at the State Opening of Parliament. Watch it one day and listen to the commentary (or read up what the ceremony represents). If you want a proper discussion look up the difference between the sovereign and sovereignty.

//Our courts are supreme, what are you on about?//

Have a read of the Treaty of Lisbon. You will find in there a passage which states that where there is any conflict, EU laws enjoy supremacy over those of member states. It’s quite true that national Parliaments have the power to refuse to comply with EU law. Then they will face the ECJ who will rule according to EU law and impose sanctions on the miscreant state. It’s like saying you’re perfectly free to rob a bank because you’ll only get sent to prison if you’re caught.

Come back when you’ve absorbed some facts rather than just chuck insults and nonsense about.

[allenlondon]

I'm no liberal, not when the likes of the snarlers are concerned.

Nor am I anti-British.

Stop inventing things! Does your (weak) case NO good at all.

[emmie]

allen who are the snarlers?

[Old_Geezer]

"It's a project which, whatever form it takes, is based on avoiding the conflicts that tore the continent apart up until quite recently."

Seems to me to be doing it's best to generate dissatisfaction in nations which may eventually explode into conflict. Always took that claim of keeping peace with a barrel of salt. Economy & trade already gives an incentive for peace. NATO helped considerably too, just in case national interests threaten to escalate to war. But the EU ? Naw.

[allenlondon]

“ allen who are the snarlers?”

Run your stick along the bars and they’ll show themselves...

[emmie]

seems you got out the wrong side of the bed this morning,

[Spicerack]

AB Remainders are so unbelievably thick they must be an embarrassment to other Remainers. ( as smug, self satisfied and dim as they are)

[gulliver1]

It is feared that a lot of goods will go into short supply next year in the UK, and the weekly/ monthly shopping bill could increase by up to one third. how clever is that for voting remain. enjoy.

[drmorgans]

Isn't that dependent failure to agree a deal with the EU?

[gulliver1]

12.49 , Can't see Johnson doing a deal , he wants to appear as the, Iron Gent, Bur then again with Cummings and Cain out of it , he might just cave in, Hopefully.

[dannyk13]

Gulliver//It is feared that //
By whom? More of your false news.

[vulcan42]

gulliver seems to live a strange life. He spends it imagining the worst case scenario in any situation and then takes delight in hoping it will come true.