Another Load Of Idiots.

[Barsel]

Is it going to be like this for the foreseeable?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8973071/Anti-lockdown-protesters-chanting-freedom-clash-police.html

[10ClarionSt]

teacacke @ 13.55:
/Regarding their concern for wealth / businesses / workers, there would be more off work sick or dead, than in work./

One example of supermarket workers near me, is that since March, absenteeism has noticeably reduced. Just absenteeism. No mention of Covid. None of the staff, up to now, has tested positive for Covid since March. With all the so-called footfall in the supermarket, it would seem probable that the staff there would be more vulnerable than most. And this is in a town where the infection rate is one of the highest in the country. It's also a supermarket where the staff take on the mantel of Covid Camp Guards.

Anyhow people, if you aint happy about the situation, just do as I do and carry on as normal as you can. I have so far. I won't be locked down and dictated to.

Oh dear! Waits for all the precious, scaredy cat comments.
:o)

[jourdain2]

I won't do a 'scaredy-cat' comment. We're vulnerable = we take care -- but that does not mean we agree with all this lockdown stuff. Has anyone heard of Ivor Cummins? Epidemiologist/biologist - etc. knows his stuff. Check him out. Heard him today on UNN interview. I find it hard to disagree with his general thrust that this is now endemic (like annual 'flu) and should just be lived with. Only 0.23% of cases prove fatal and of those only 0.05 are U.70. Of course I sorrow for and with those who are in these percentages - but I don't think it is worth the crash of the economy and what will result in terms of poverty, hardship and illness.

I don't want to get it - but I want more that the country is free and prosperous and that children aren't scared of other people.

[pixie374]

//I don't want to get it - but I want more that the country is free and prosperous and that children aren't scared of other people.//

Exactly. I don't think anyone wants anyone else to get it. The problem is, that if you don't make covid your one and only priority, you are seen as callous, uncaring or basically a murderer of elderly people...

We have potentially dangerous diseases we have to live with. We minimise the risks, to a degree, but live with them.

[Deskdiary]

^^^Exactly right.

Any questioning of the lockdown, or commenting on the statistics with a view to justify no lockdown, is seen as heresy by the Covid worshipers and the Covphobics, with pretty much the stock response being 'granny-killer' or variations thereof, and they will steadfastly rubbish any opposing view, blindly accept the scenarios trotted out by the experts (which have been proven to be wildly inaccurate), and will only consider the statistics that support their view.

I do wonder about the financial position of those wishing lockdown to continue, and can't help thinking many are retired or on benefits, and therefore on a fixed income unaffected by the lockdown, wealthy enough that the lockdown won't affect them, employed by the state and therefore the state of the economy is largely irrelevant and they received 100% throughout. I'm pretty sure if they were employed by the hospitality industry they'd have a different view.

[Prudie]

Bobbinwales "Prudie that's rediculous. Do you think are nhs prioritys are set by me?? What an odd question."
Of course I don't (certainly hope not) but that's not what I suggested. You stated that people will die of of other causes that could have been saved - and you think that's OK, the correct choice? This whole save the NHS from being overrun is wearing a bit thin. The Nightingales were/are hardly being used, my local hospitals are not overrun with Covid nor anything else.

[teacake44]

NJ 20.02 ( No other pandemic has ever been approached in this way)

That's because we've never had a pandemic spread round the world within 3 months. ( the world)!!

( It will not be the super saviour)

No one has said it will be. What it will do is allow us to live with it like we have to with flu. And who knows ( apart from you) it may be even more successful than the flu vaccine.

[bobbinwales]

As you said prudie, are NHS priority's are nothing to do with me so it was pointless asking me to defend them as if you were accusing me of something. Write to your MP complaining about your hospitals. Its nothing to do with lockdowns/masks/social distancing anyway just actual and expected numbers of corona patients so its a mystery why you used the point about hospitals as an arguement against lockdown.
You did cleverly swerve the issue tho of how reducing restrictions and therfore increasing corona infections, hospital cases and deaths will not make things worse for others awaiting treatment or operations . If you can see a way of getting lots more with the same numbers of doctors and nurses then well done and write to Matt Hancock or your MP and maybe Chris Witty/Patrick Vallence with your idea's

[pixie374]

//You did cleverly swerve the issue tho of how reducing restrictions and therfore increasing corona infections, hospital cases and deaths will not make things worse for others awaiting treatment or operations .//

We are making things worse for others, who have had treatment cancelled and operations cancelled, while waiting for the NHS to be overrun by covid patients... why are those people less important, bobbin?

[Prudie]

^ Exactly, I didn't swerve anything, you did. I simply asked why you think and support the choice to let others die that could be saved were it not the fact that covid stops them getting into hospitals or getting consultations. Strict hygiene and segregation could alleviate that. The bottom line is you are supporting a choice that decides who lives and dies. I don't need to write to my MP about use of hospitals, there is evidence everywhere that many are nowhere near usual capacity.

[New Judge]

//Its nothing to do with lockdowns/masks/social distancing anyway just actual and expected numbers of corona patients so its a mystery why you used the point about hospitals as an arguement against lockdown.//

It's got everything to do with it. I've previously provided evidence, in the form of the government's own figures, illustrating just how under occupied hospital beds currently have been for the last eight months (and I'm not including the "Nightingale" hospitals which were, and still are, empty). The under occupancy began precisely at the time the pandemic did and it remains. To simply say "we're not treating large numbers of people who might die or become seriously ill with anything other than Covid" is a complete abrogation of responsibility. But it's far easier than making arrangements to accommodate both.

Just as a taster, the usual occupancy of "overnight" beds in England is around 88% to 90%. In March-May the number of available beds dropped by 10,000 and the occupancy of that reduced number dropped to around 64% (and that includes the period when they were "overwhelmed" with Covid patients). The figures for "day" beds was far worse.

There is now ample evidence that people with illnesses other than Covid are being neglected and preventative programmes are being shelved. That could be why some of the "idiots" who are the subject of this thread are taking to the streets. If not it's a very good reason for them to do so.

[teacake44]

You need a holiday NJ, get the vaccine when available and fly off into the sunset. But don't forget that all the problems we have are world wide, so don't fall over while away or you may not get treated. They will be over run with locals requiring their delayed treatment.

[New Judge]

Thanks for your best wishes, tc. I'm flying off into the sunset in February provided the Prime Minister and his fiancée allow it, hopefully to somewhere where sanity might be little more prevalent than here..

[iluvmargie]

Reckon that would be almost anywhere NJ!!