Potus

[Bazile]

Looks like the President , is starting to accept the inevitable .


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

[Spicerack]

Think you'll find most of the people who voted for Brexit were alive at the time.

[drmorgans]

There's a difference between remainers saying "there should be another vote because they think still think the UK would be better in EU" and them saying "okay, the UK is going to leave but we still think the UK would be better in the EU". The logic of that is that Labour voters should now think like the Tories because they won the election.

[tomus42]

So anyway, Trump lost, which is brilliant. The great thing about the handover period and his refusal to accept reality, is that it means there's plenty of entertainment still to come.

[douglas9401]

Losing Trumpettes retreat to firmer soil to fight their withdrawal on familiar, if unconnected, territory.

[TrevorThePug]

BA tomus!

“Hopefully the sour Remainers who have made such a fuss in recent years have learnt a valuable lesson now - but I doubt it.”

What does that infantile rant even mean? Is that a GCSE answer to a Q? Poor if so, my 11 year old could do better. Maybe lockdown fever has hit AB......

[allenlondon]

Sound point, dr.

Losing an election means little in bigger philosophical terms. Capitalism is still evil, the entire social system is evil, based on greed and winner takes all (few people know that 'meritocracy' was coined as a term of abuse!), but as you point out, we don't all of a sudden start thinking like Essex Man, polishing our Mondeos (or whatever today's equivalent is).

No. We wait, we learn, we read, we discuss. The pendulum WILL swing, it always does. Biased 'democracy' with its rigged elections (no, not rigged like that, Donald, rigged by deeper, longer-term class interests), will not always be the victor.

Long-term thinking, dr.

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[naomi24]

Trevor, it means that Remainers who refused to accept the result of the EU referendum and yet now insist that democracy must be respected will at last put a sock in it. Ask your eleven year old to explain it to you. You seem to be struggling.

[ichkeria]

There is no comparison whatever between the Brexit referendum and the US election other than both were as free and fair as it’s possible to be.
Nor is there any comparison between the reactions of the losers in each case.
At least it seems Trump is now fully cooperating. I’m optimistic to believe the damage he’s done won’t be long lasting. Maybe pardoning that turkey will give him pause for thought.

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, Of course there’s a comparison. The result of any democratic vote should be respected. I know that doesn’t suit some, but that’s what should happen.

[Spicerack]

Yes. Lost in all the drivel is that Trump has said the transition preparations should go forward as normal. Some dictator.
Must say, after the vaccine news over the last fortnight, I'm surprised to see some of you anti-Trumpers swanning about the site.
You must have thicker skins or shorter memories than me.

[ichkeria]

It's the usual brickwall-bashing versus barrel scraping.

Do you think that Trump's refusal to acknowldege the result in the form of a concession is damaging to US democracy?

[Spicerack]

Mass Mail-in voting is damaging to democracy everywhere it's allowed. It's an open invitation to fraud.

[naomi24]

^I agree.

[Khandro]

'At the present time, the Democratic Party candidate Joe Biden is the President-Elect of nothing, and the backdrop in front which he continues to be photographed is a stage set being utilised for psychological warfare. There has never been an ‘Office of the President-Elect’ and there is no such office now.'

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/for-the-sake-of-america-trump-must-not-concede/

[ichkeria]

No fraud - to any significant degree - has however occurred it would seem
And Trump shot humself in the foot rather by telling his people to avoid it.

[ichkeria]

"There has never been an ‘Office of the President-Elect’ and there is no such office now."

There is a transition period, as always, with substantial sums of money allocated to it (as always, and at last released) to get on with the business of transitioning.
If Biden wishes to call that the "Office of the President Ellect then so be it, because that is effectively what it is.
That link: I am not sure whether to laugh or cry.
Sidney Powell has relatives here ?!

[ichkeria]

"Do you think that Trump's refusal to acknowldege the result in the form of a concession is damaging to US democracy? "

was actually asked to naomi.

Trump isn't a "dictator" no one said he was.
But that is probably only because the "system" he so reviles won't let him become one.

[tomus42]

// Mass Mail-in voting is damaging to democracy everywhere it's allowed. It's an open invitation to fraud. //

The invitation doesn't seem to have been accepted in the American election. Trump's crack team of legal experts and investigators hasn't managed to produce any evidence of fraud. I mean they had that one job right?, and they couldn't do it.
Hold on - perhaps they're in on the conspiracy too?

[Peter Pedant]

// Maybe lockdown fever has hit AB......//
Trev da pug

no lockdown fever was always with us - - ter daah

hey latest tweet from Trump - following the success of the Great Murican Lark-darn, I have to apologise to the Gt Chinese republic where I am just about to open 100 stores, and starp carling it the Gt Slitty eyed killer virus as I understand those dumb fracks on AB they were completely resparnsible.....Losers all of them worse than the turkey I pardoned this marning

[jim360]

It's a shame that "what-aboutism" is the only response some have. It ought to be possible for those trying to connect Trump's non-concession to Brexit to condemn the former unequivocally.

What's bothering, too, is that it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of both. Trump cried fraud, and still cries fraud, and refuses to accept even the *legitimacy* of Biden's presidency. In so doing, he has also persuaded or encouraged millions of Americans to think the same way, to give succour to baseless conspiracy theories. There is no parallel in the narrative of Brexit, certainly not among the majority (as the 2019 and 2017 Elections demonstrated).