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Only Four Years To Go
There are around 26 million people in the UK aged 50 and over (which I believe is the target age group for vaccinations at least initially). This week 130,000 (0.5%) of that number were vaccinated. So, only two years of faffing about opening and closing businesses to go!
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Once the Oxford/AZ vaccine comes on board then it will speed up. 1) because there will be more of it 2) because it is easier to transport and keep.
In addition the NHS has asked for volunteers to administer it. My wife has volunteered so that too will speed it up.
Anyhow, as TTT and I wrote on another thread you dont need to vaccinate the whole population just the vulnerable. The rest can be at leisure as many would not even notice if they had it (COVID) and if they did it amounts to nothing more than a really bad cold for them.
Time for some common sense to prevail over this and listen to a wider range of real experts, preferably with nothing to gain financially & globally.
In addition the NHS has asked for volunteers to administer it. My wife has volunteered so that too will speed it up.
Anyhow, as TTT and I wrote on another thread you dont need to vaccinate the whole population just the vulnerable. The rest can be at leisure as many would not even notice if they had it (COVID) and if they did it amounts to nothing more than a really bad cold for them.
Time for some common sense to prevail over this and listen to a wider range of real experts, preferably with nothing to gain financially & globally.
No, I would not include GP's, they are not experts in the field, and no they dont all share the same view as them anyway.
You only listen to those who spout the narrative you want to hear dont you anyone else in your view is to be berated and heckled. I have noticed it a lot from you, indeed when I see your name I get the mental image of a Welsh Hilda Ogden.
You only listen to those who spout the narrative you want to hear dont you anyone else in your view is to be berated and heckled. I have noticed it a lot from you, indeed when I see your name I get the mental image of a Welsh Hilda Ogden.
//Yes, a listen to the consensus view of experts not peopel like you who have no evidence or scientific expertise but still beleive your right and experts are wrong//
The problem is, bob, that with most contentious issues there very often is not a consensus view. This is one of those issues. Not all "experts" believe the way the UK has tackled the pandemic is the right way to go and they don't all agree with the tactics being used. In every post you make you concentrate solely on the damage being done to people's health by the virus. You speak only of the deaths caused by Covid. Tragic though they are, as I explained a few days ago they are not the only deaths that are occurring and in fact they make up the minority. There are many other deaths, illness and associated damage that are occurring because of the strategy adopted by the government and not from Covid. The scale of untreated serious illness has now reached alarming levels and the death toll from that will continue long after the pandemic has become a bad dream. You have asked in the past whether doctors are supposed to simply let Covid patients die. Well they are simply allowing patients with other illnesses to die because they are not receiving the treatment they need so why should Covid victims be any different? Those deaths are beginning to contribute to the "excess deaths" which you seem very keen to focus on. But little is heard about that. As I asked you recently, how often do you see the number of deaths from heart disease (which are running at twice the number of Covid deaths) put up on the telly? There is not the consensus that you seem to believe exists. The government has chosen its strategy based on the views of the "experts" it has chosen to listen to (some of whom have produced hopelessly inaccurate "scenarios"). You, similarly, have confined yourself to listening only to that view. There is no room for any other debate and if there isn't such a debate soon the damage caused by trying to suppress Covid (both in terms of health and the country's economy) will make Covid seem like a hangover.
The problem is, bob, that with most contentious issues there very often is not a consensus view. This is one of those issues. Not all "experts" believe the way the UK has tackled the pandemic is the right way to go and they don't all agree with the tactics being used. In every post you make you concentrate solely on the damage being done to people's health by the virus. You speak only of the deaths caused by Covid. Tragic though they are, as I explained a few days ago they are not the only deaths that are occurring and in fact they make up the minority. There are many other deaths, illness and associated damage that are occurring because of the strategy adopted by the government and not from Covid. The scale of untreated serious illness has now reached alarming levels and the death toll from that will continue long after the pandemic has become a bad dream. You have asked in the past whether doctors are supposed to simply let Covid patients die. Well they are simply allowing patients with other illnesses to die because they are not receiving the treatment they need so why should Covid victims be any different? Those deaths are beginning to contribute to the "excess deaths" which you seem very keen to focus on. But little is heard about that. As I asked you recently, how often do you see the number of deaths from heart disease (which are running at twice the number of Covid deaths) put up on the telly? There is not the consensus that you seem to believe exists. The government has chosen its strategy based on the views of the "experts" it has chosen to listen to (some of whom have produced hopelessly inaccurate "scenarios"). You, similarly, have confined yourself to listening only to that view. There is no room for any other debate and if there isn't such a debate soon the damage caused by trying to suppress Covid (both in terms of health and the country's economy) will make Covid seem like a hangover.
^same old same old.
The vast majority of scientists and doctors have a consensus that the removing all or most restrictions at the moment would be foolish. Yes there factoring in things like mental health of lockdown issues. There allso aware of the economy but Whitty allways says thats a goverment decision as to how much to restrict it based on the rates of infections, beds, deaths. All the political parties broadly agree that we need tight controls. The other parties want even tighter restrictions that Borris wants, They are aware of the damage to the economy of restrictions but feel the risk to are NHS becoming overran and surges in infections, sickness absence and deaths will allso affect the economy. Its better to focus on health whilst opening up where possable now until the vaccinne and otehr yreatments allow us to relax.
There is a general consensus of scientists and politicians, there might be some differences , but broadly there view is restrictions are right and your desired approach is a non starter
The vast majority of scientists and doctors have a consensus that the removing all or most restrictions at the moment would be foolish. Yes there factoring in things like mental health of lockdown issues. There allso aware of the economy but Whitty allways says thats a goverment decision as to how much to restrict it based on the rates of infections, beds, deaths. All the political parties broadly agree that we need tight controls. The other parties want even tighter restrictions that Borris wants, They are aware of the damage to the economy of restrictions but feel the risk to are NHS becoming overran and surges in infections, sickness absence and deaths will allso affect the economy. Its better to focus on health whilst opening up where possable now until the vaccinne and otehr yreatments allow us to relax.
There is a general consensus of scientists and politicians, there might be some differences , but broadly there view is restrictions are right and your desired approach is a non starter
I've been trying to explain to NJ for months now that it was all about buying time to make a vaccine, and yes we all know by now that its been very expensive in many ways to buy this time. The simple answer is we did not have a choice but to buy that time in the way we did, there would never be, or was, a plan B to buy this time. The end result is that we have a vaccine, how successful remains to be seen. Lets move on now to getting that vaccine to the people.
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