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What's Labour's Answer To The Catastrophe That Is Devolution?
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yep you've guessed it, more devolution. Many many more layers of politicians and officials bloating the public sector, bossing us about at every level. Gawd elp us, that's all we need! As TGL once said, the state should be as small as possible, looks like Steer Calmer has other ideas. Madness?
yep you've guessed it, more devolution. Many many more layers of politicians and officials bloating the public sector, bossing us about at every level. Gawd elp us, that's all we need! As TGL once said, the state should be as small as possible, looks like Steer Calmer has other ideas. Madness?
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untitled, //oh dear one whole paragraph is too long-winded is it? I suggest you read more.// A whole paragraph of obfuscating, insulting rubbish is more than enough. You know what? I'm getting sick of listening to little pip squeaks who neither they or their families have made any contribution to it playing fast & loose with British sovereignty, many of whom...
15:47 Tue 22nd Dec 2020
When the UK was a member of the EU, the EU27 accepted that the UK had veto rights over eg European Council business, and accepted various concessions eg the rebate that Thatcher negotiated. More concretely, they accepted that the UK had some influence over goods standards.
All of those are concessions.
All of those are concessions.
How is handing the UK a rebate of a few billion pounds a year "to their benefit"? How is allowing the UK a veto to their benefit? In both cases this took away from the absolute control the EU27 had, ie took away from any notion of absolute sovereignty.
I mean, yes, the EU and the UK were both better off together than apart, but at this point you're campaigning to remain or rejoin...
I mean, yes, the EU and the UK were both better off together than apart, but at this point you're campaigning to remain or rejoin...
More devolution enlarges any split between the countries of the Union; it doesn't save it. The only thing that saves it, if it needs saving, is folk from all corners of the Union supporting it and accepting that we are one nation and the stronger for it. One might be better taking powers back, were it possible. But possibly examining local responsibilities to ensure they are in good balance.
Agreed, wandered off-topic.
To be honest I'm not sure where I stand on devolution, but it's at least clear that we haven't really decided what we even want from it yet. But there's no way you can plausibly reverse the devolution from before without causing anger -- few moves backwards are ever popular -- so it's better to find a way of reforming the present system to make it work, eg by more clearly defining the powers of the Welsh Assembly etc.
To be honest I'm not sure where I stand on devolution, but it's at least clear that we haven't really decided what we even want from it yet. But there's no way you can plausibly reverse the devolution from before without causing anger -- few moves backwards are ever popular -- so it's better to find a way of reforming the present system to make it work, eg by more clearly defining the powers of the Welsh Assembly etc.
jim //I don't think the EU's ever pretended otherwise -- except that we weren't "in tow" more than any other member State (rather less, in fact, since we didn't join the Euro, or the Schengen area, etc etc).//
There's the small matter of 9 billion p.a. net contribution you may be overlooking, compared to:
'The most up-to-date statistics (as of July 2016) Poland received €17.436 billion from the EU whilst only contributing €3.526 billion.'
There's the small matter of 9 billion p.a. net contribution you may be overlooking, compared to:
'The most up-to-date statistics (as of July 2016) Poland received €17.436 billion from the EU whilst only contributing €3.526 billion.'
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