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They Are Still At It.
Do you think the only way to stop this happening is to take these people a few at a time, around the Covid wards and the morgue so they can see for themselves? Perhaps that isn't feasible but, perhaps someone should record what is happening on the wards (obviously not showing their faces and getting permission from relatives) and show this to these silly people.
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ymf, i have no problems whatsoever with those who believe Covid does not exist and that it is a hoax. In fact i pity them. However, i have much more pity for those poor folk inside the hospital who may be seriously ill from Covid having to listen to the morons outside.
Why stand outside a hospital chanting?
Why stand outside a hospital chanting?
//Water cannon and rubber baton rounds are only used in riots, not peaceful demonstrations.//
//We do not tear gas or use water cannon on people exercising their right to demonstrate.//
//sunk it already been pointed out, it was a peaceful demo, and no we don't use water cannon or tear gas for a peaceful demo//
But these are not normal times, boys and girls. The right to a “peaceful demonstration” has been rescinded. First and foremost everybody taking part has broken the law by being outside of their home in a T4 area without a “reasonable excuse.” Secondly they are “gathering” illegally as London is a T4 area and gatherings outdoors of more than two people are not permitted. The only gatherings in outdoor public places that are permitted are those which comply with these paragraphs:
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This paragraph applies to a gathering if it takes place in a public outdoor place not falling within paragraph (2) and—
(a)the gathering has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body or a political body, and
(b)the gathering organiser takes the required precautions in relation to the gathering.
The required precautions
7.(1) The gathering organiser or (as the case may be) the manager in relation to a gathering takes the required precautions for the purposes of these Regulations by meeting both of the following requirements.
(2) The first requirement is that the gathering organiser or manager has carried out a risk assessment that would satisfy the requirements of regulation 3 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999(30) (whether or not the organiser or manager is subject to those Regulations).
(3) The second requirement is that the gathering organiser or manager has taken all reasonable measures to limit the risk of transmission of coronavirus, taking into account—
(a)the risk assessment carried out under paragraph (2), and
(b)any guidance issued by the government which is relevant to the gathering.
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I doubt very much whether those paragraphs have been satisfied and so the demonstration is illegal. But time and again we see Plod simply allow it to happen which shows the futility of introducing more and more legislation, each time making increasingly severe restrictions, when there is not a hope in Hell of it being adhered to or enforced. Yes it is difficult to disperse an unruly mob but if it's not going to enforced then don't introduce the restriction. But I suppose it does stop Jenni Murray's cleaner catching a bus to work:
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Far more beneficial than preventing an unruly mob parade up and down outside a hospital.
//We do not tear gas or use water cannon on people exercising their right to demonstrate.//
//sunk it already been pointed out, it was a peaceful demo, and no we don't use water cannon or tear gas for a peaceful demo//
But these are not normal times, boys and girls. The right to a “peaceful demonstration” has been rescinded. First and foremost everybody taking part has broken the law by being outside of their home in a T4 area without a “reasonable excuse.” Secondly they are “gathering” illegally as London is a T4 area and gatherings outdoors of more than two people are not permitted. The only gatherings in outdoor public places that are permitted are those which comply with these paragraphs:
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This paragraph applies to a gathering if it takes place in a public outdoor place not falling within paragraph (2) and—
(a)the gathering has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body or a political body, and
(b)the gathering organiser takes the required precautions in relation to the gathering.
The required precautions
7.(1) The gathering organiser or (as the case may be) the manager in relation to a gathering takes the required precautions for the purposes of these Regulations by meeting both of the following requirements.
(2) The first requirement is that the gathering organiser or manager has carried out a risk assessment that would satisfy the requirements of regulation 3 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999(30) (whether or not the organiser or manager is subject to those Regulations).
(3) The second requirement is that the gathering organiser or manager has taken all reasonable measures to limit the risk of transmission of coronavirus, taking into account—
(a)the risk assessment carried out under paragraph (2), and
(b)any guidance issued by the government which is relevant to the gathering.
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I doubt very much whether those paragraphs have been satisfied and so the demonstration is illegal. But time and again we see Plod simply allow it to happen which shows the futility of introducing more and more legislation, each time making increasingly severe restrictions, when there is not a hope in Hell of it being adhered to or enforced. Yes it is difficult to disperse an unruly mob but if it's not going to enforced then don't introduce the restriction. But I suppose it does stop Jenni Murray's cleaner catching a bus to work:
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Far more beneficial than preventing an unruly mob parade up and down outside a hospital.
you can trot out the laws as much as you like NJ hasn't stopped the revellers on NYE congregating, nor indeed many who came out for fireworks displays across the country. Corbyn has been fined again, so perhaps his lawyers will get him out of that, who knows, but the police don't seem able to stop these gatherings one way or another
NJ
JenniMurraygate.
I suspect she is being a bit niave.
Her cleaner didn’t turn up for work on Christmas Eve, and blamed a bus inspector for preventing him travelling. The bus company said no inspectors were on buses that day on that bus route.
Perhaps the cleaner was fibbing and just couldn’t be ar$ed.
JenniMurraygate.
I suspect she is being a bit niave.
Her cleaner didn’t turn up for work on Christmas Eve, and blamed a bus inspector for preventing him travelling. The bus company said no inspectors were on buses that day on that bus route.
Perhaps the cleaner was fibbing and just couldn’t be ar$ed.
ummmm
Sticky - not all of Oz have restrictions.
Maybe you didn’t read the original post?
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Sticky - not all of Oz have restrictions.
Maybe you didn’t read the original post?
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//...you can trot out the laws as much as you like NJ //
I think you misunderstand me, emmie. I'm trotting them out because there seems to be the opinion here that those involved in the gathering outside St Thomas' hospital were involved in a peaceful demonstration. In normal times such a demonstration would be legitimate and dispersing it with force would be unlawful. But at the moment, because of the Draconian laws introduced in an effort to fight the virus, such a gathering is illegal. So it sticks in my craw to learn that the police stand by and watch it whilst harassing other people whom (they say) are guilty of minor transgressions of these "emergency" laws whist trying to go about their (otherwise) lawful business. In they cannot prevent nutcases parading up and down outside a hospital they should accept that the law cannot be enforced and leave people who are causing no harm to simply get on with their lives.
I think you misunderstand me, emmie. I'm trotting them out because there seems to be the opinion here that those involved in the gathering outside St Thomas' hospital were involved in a peaceful demonstration. In normal times such a demonstration would be legitimate and dispersing it with force would be unlawful. But at the moment, because of the Draconian laws introduced in an effort to fight the virus, such a gathering is illegal. So it sticks in my craw to learn that the police stand by and watch it whilst harassing other people whom (they say) are guilty of minor transgressions of these "emergency" laws whist trying to go about their (otherwise) lawful business. In they cannot prevent nutcases parading up and down outside a hospital they should accept that the law cannot be enforced and leave people who are causing no harm to simply get on with their lives.
Looks like Piers Corbyn has been arrested.
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yeah too many laws NJ !
//here is no ‘normal’ and the riot act must be read at some point, quite literally.// some other dozy so and so
There is no Riot Act 1714 to be read now
repealed - 1967 Criminal Law Amendment Axt I seem to remember - only fifty y ago
Public Order Act which I am sure NJ has quoted at length
to the disapprobation of the usual suspects I see
//here is no ‘normal’ and the riot act must be read at some point, quite literally.// some other dozy so and so
There is no Riot Act 1714 to be read now
repealed - 1967 Criminal Law Amendment Axt I seem to remember - only fifty y ago
Public Order Act which I am sure NJ has quoted at length
to the disapprobation of the usual suspects I see
In response to Peter Pedant:
The Riot Act was finally repealed in England and Wales in the Criminal Law Act of 1967, which rendered a slew of old legislation obsolete. Though British police officers are no longer required to stand in the middle of an unruly crowd reading from a sheet of paper, the concept of reading someone the riot act survives.
Even 300 years after it first came into effect, to be threatened with "the riot act" is to be told: stop causing trouble, or there'll be trouble.
So the concept is still there, as I’ve heard that it was read(or certainly commenced) during many a riot in the troubles of Northern Ireland.
The Riot Act was finally repealed in England and Wales in the Criminal Law Act of 1967, which rendered a slew of old legislation obsolete. Though British police officers are no longer required to stand in the middle of an unruly crowd reading from a sheet of paper, the concept of reading someone the riot act survives.
Even 300 years after it first came into effect, to be threatened with "the riot act" is to be told: stop causing trouble, or there'll be trouble.
So the concept is still there, as I’ve heard that it was read(or certainly commenced) during many a riot in the troubles of Northern Ireland.
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