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.. when they are often having to apologise for its atrocities? Surely it's time to disenfranchise the state from religion?
.. when they are often having to apologise for its atrocities? Surely it's time to disenfranchise the state from religion?
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"The evil acts were carried out by evil people & had nothing to do with Catholicism or Christianity in fact they were the antithesis of it." Khandro on the previous page to this. Khandro - the vile abuses were carried out by people in Holy Orders and wearing habits and dog-collars - they were then stoutly denied for many years by a church which knew exactly what...
17:54 Wed 13th Jan 2021
Tamborine @ 10:29
I've seen some nasty examples of victim blaming in my time, but the first of your assertions takes the proverbial biscuit.
As for your second (utterly unfounded and without a shred of evidence) comment, it's just so laughable that it's hard to credit that you actually believe it might be true - these weren't devout religionists providing final succour for illegitimate babies, they were murderers burying the evidence of their crimes.
I've seen some nasty examples of victim blaming in my time, but the first of your assertions takes the proverbial biscuit.
As for your second (utterly unfounded and without a shred of evidence) comment, it's just so laughable that it's hard to credit that you actually believe it might be true - these weren't devout religionists providing final succour for illegitimate babies, they were murderers burying the evidence of their crimes.
gness Your link says 'It is believed at least 150,000 Australian women had their babies taken against their will by some churches and adoption agencies between the 1950s and 1970s.'
That seems like that it "is believed" (though it seems to me hard to) & no hard evidence, it is also pointing at "some churches & adoption agencies" what these were or in what proportion of churches to adoption agencies it doesn't say & do you really believe 150,000 mothers had their babies taken from them "against their will" ?
Would you have your baby taken from you against your will?
To reiterate: is this sufficient reason to eschew religion? or did that come first & you are using this as an excuse?
That seems like that it "is believed" (though it seems to me hard to) & no hard evidence, it is also pointing at "some churches & adoption agencies" what these were or in what proportion of churches to adoption agencies it doesn't say & do you really believe 150,000 mothers had their babies taken from them "against their will" ?
Would you have your baby taken from you against your will?
To reiterate: is this sufficient reason to eschew religion? or did that come first & you are using this as an excuse?
I'm fascinated by the dubious pair of enormous blinkers which seem to make someone think that the only reason for attacking the Catholic Church must be because the attacker is an Orange Prod ...
Ireland is now a friendly, open country which is addressing issues that the previous dominance of the RC Church hid for too long - I've been welcomed by very many people and am so happy to live here.
Ireland is now a friendly, open country which is addressing issues that the previous dominance of the RC Church hid for too long - I've been welcomed by very many people and am so happy to live here.
Minus the church it always has been friendly.
My mums brother went to Ireland to visit my dads parents. He couldn't remember the exact location of the house. He asked someone and they directed him to a house, same name and not too far from us. Wrong house but they invited him in for a cup of tea while they tried to establish which Batty he was looking for.
My mums brother went to Ireland to visit my dads parents. He couldn't remember the exact location of the house. He asked someone and they directed him to a house, same name and not too far from us. Wrong house but they invited him in for a cup of tea while they tried to establish which Batty he was looking for.
Tambo - There really is no need to be more stupid than is strictly necessary....
The Catholic Church had a grip so strong over Ireland that the lawmakers and enforcers couldn't (and couldn't bring themselves) to intervene in matters over which the religion presided.....and that was *every single* aspect of life.
There was nowhere to go for girls trapped in small towns and villages who found themselves 'in trouble' and then the church stepped in, ostensibly, to help but in reality to make matters oh so much worse.
As a mother myself, my heart aches for every single one of them and it is a shame and a stain which the Catholic church in Ireland must carry for ever.......hopefully the Irish State can acknowledge its' wrongs and make whatever reparations are deemed necessary.
The Catholic Church had a grip so strong over Ireland that the lawmakers and enforcers couldn't (and couldn't bring themselves) to intervene in matters over which the religion presided.....and that was *every single* aspect of life.
There was nowhere to go for girls trapped in small towns and villages who found themselves 'in trouble' and then the church stepped in, ostensibly, to help but in reality to make matters oh so much worse.
As a mother myself, my heart aches for every single one of them and it is a shame and a stain which the Catholic church in Ireland must carry for ever.......hopefully the Irish State can acknowledge its' wrongs and make whatever reparations are deemed necessary.
That is happening, Jack and pressure is now being put on the church to sell off some of its land and property to contribute.
It is also under pressure to tell, before it is too late, where hundreds of babies are buried in mass graves in unconsecrated ground. The difficulty is that the nuns are somewhat reluctant to speak out.
The most distressing find so far has been the bodies in a sort of concrete structure thought to be a sewer or some sort of water treatment "room" underground.
Thank goodness times have changed so much. It would be hard to find anyone in Ireland defending what happened, denying it or making excuses by blaming others rather than looking to where the blame for what happened in these homes lies.
It is also under pressure to tell, before it is too late, where hundreds of babies are buried in mass graves in unconsecrated ground. The difficulty is that the nuns are somewhat reluctant to speak out.
The most distressing find so far has been the bodies in a sort of concrete structure thought to be a sewer or some sort of water treatment "room" underground.
Thank goodness times have changed so much. It would be hard to find anyone in Ireland defending what happened, denying it or making excuses by blaming others rather than looking to where the blame for what happened in these homes lies.
Spice....they've paid out loads but not half as much as they should. Children in care, orphaned children were also badly abused. They were physically abused in schools as well, ran by the church! Priests and nuns, people we should be able to trust.
Just look at mother Teresa....the power of prayer will cure all those poor souls...but she died in luxury. The hypocrisy is sickening.
Just look at mother Teresa....the power of prayer will cure all those poor souls...but she died in luxury. The hypocrisy is sickening.
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