Ok Welcome On Board But What's All This "Non Binary" ***?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/i-felt-like-i-was-born-again-first-non-binary-person-granted-uk-refugee-status
....he's a geezer 4FS!

[jim360]

All of those are also rare, but that they do exist illustrates that biology is complicated, and that not merely the genetic makeup determines biology.

This is, as I say, only tangential to the topic of gender identity, but -- well, when once you accept that "end of" is laughably far from the truth, and do a bit more research, you'll be at least better-informed about the diversity of biological sex, and hopefully more open to the possibility that gender identity can be diverse also.

[Mozz71]

Tora //Mozz, 21:10 ok yes I am concerned about the energy spent by society to indulge these weirdos.//

And thus the true colours are revealed. Like Theland calling them "freaks", you choose "weirdos" to describe non-binary folk. Different and weird are two different things.

[ToraToraTora]

jim; "All of those are also rare, but that they do exist illustrates that biology is complicated, and that not merely the genetic makeup determines biology. " - tell you what I'll accept the XXY/XYY as different, fair enough, How many of the spectrum of attention seekers are thus? err virtually none. How many of the N new Genders are anything other than XX or XY? What we have is a charter for attention seeking weirdos.

[jim360]

Probably not many, but then again, as we've established, biological sex is different from gender identity anyway.

The world is simply more complicated than you're prepared to admit. Maybe accept that and then maybe you'll learn something.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "...as we've established, biological sex is different from gender identity anyway. " - err have we? you mean some LibFac with a non degree has given the green light for every weirdo to "self identify"?

[Mozz71]

Tora- //err have we? you mean some LibFac with a non degree has given the green light for every weirdo to "self identify"?//

I think the words you were looking for were "doctors", "experts" or maybe "scientists".

[Zacs-Master]

Eh up, Tora, why don’t you label Mozzarella ‘the new jelly man’? It’s what you do with me when you’ve lost an argument.

[ToraToraTora]

I haven't lost an argument my old TJM buddy. I don't accept all this self identification Bowlocks, end of.

[Zacs-Master]

The evidence would prove to the contrary, my old friend. Deny it as much as you want but everyone else can see you Luddite tendencies poking thru the flimsy fabric of your integrity.

Smash the machines! Smash the machines!

[Chinajan]

// *There are, in fact, "XX men and XY women", in the sense that for whatever reason, even at birth the genetically-determined sex doesn't match the outward appearance. This is separate from, but of course related to, transgender, because it shows that XX/XY is very much not "end of". //

There are not. In any sense. XX is always female. XY is always male. One's biological sex cannot change. Gender is a social construct. How does a male 'know' they 'feel like a woman'? They cannot know what a woman feels like.

Self ID is a nonsense. It's how this male rapist got into a women's prison and sexually assaulted vulnerable women there.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

I don't care if anyone dresses up however they like. I don't care if goes about calling themselves a different gender. But I don't want a bloke in a frock perving around in my changing rooms or bogs.

[ToraToraTora]

what evidence? I have an opinion others have theirs, that's not evidence or proof, none of this is provable it's all just a view point.

[ToraToraTora]

there you go ZM Chinajan has nailed it. BA!

[Zacs-Master]

The evidence of Mozz’s argument for one. You are a dinosaur and your blinkered view of the future of humanity has no place in the C21st.

[ToraToraTora]

CJ: "Gender is a social construct." - bang on.
"How does a male 'know' they 'feel like a woman'? They cannot know what a woman feels like. " - stunning observation.

[Chinajan]

https://fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/gra-reform/

[Zacs-Master]

Your citing Of CJ’s statement only reinforces your old fart, anachronistic view of how the world should work.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: Mozz's argument is just that, not fact, not gospel his view.

[ToraToraTora]

you are entitled to your view ZM me old china.

[Zacs-Master]

Neither is yours. Your rhetoric belongs in a dusty leather bound book in a library one one visits any more, never to be read again.

[ToraToraTora]

right oh!