Ok Welcome On Board But What's All This "Non Binary" ***?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/i-felt-like-i-was-born-again-first-non-binary-person-granted-uk-refugee-status
....he's a geezer 4FS!

[Togo]

// 98.5 % of violent crime is by men and 90% of sexual crime. And mostly against women.//

Read that and consider it. The hundreds of different genders between them only commit 1.5% of all violent crime and despite seemingly being obsessed with it only 10% of all sexual crime, that of course being against women. They can certainly make men a majority when it suits the agenda ... all you need to do now is believe it and repeat with fervour.

[Mozz71]

The issue with your "explanation" Theland, is you seem to hate anythinv that isn't a Christian, and your own skewed definition of normal.

When it comes to helping people flee from danger in other countries, the folk needing refugee status are seldom white, straight, Christians so they immediately incur your wrath.

Brown skin? Different religious belief? Gay? Trans? Anything is far game in your mind? If you stood on the road souting nonsense, you'd be described as a hate preacher, and with good reason.

[Togo]

Or maybe if a crime is commited by the "other" genders it gets allocated to men, just because they can. Like all deaths since last February are likely to be added to the covid "figures".

[ToraToraTora]

Mozz: "Tora, why does somebody you've never met identifying as a different gender to their birth "sex" concern you so much? " - because of the effect it has on our society. If they just did their bit and *** about it, fine but they don't, they want special dispensation all the time.

[Mozz71]

Most don't want special dispensation T, they just want acceptance, or failing that, not to be persecuted for their choices.

[Mozz71]

Pixie, you make good points (sorry for the delay in answering, as I wanted to dwell on your points for a bit). I can't really argue them as I, for obvious reasons, can't share your fears and point of view. I'm not sure how things such as changing rooms or toilets can be dealt with, unless "non-binary" specific spaces are created, but that would mean that existing numbers would drop for everyone else.

[pixie374]

15:20, Togo, crimes are not recorded by gender. They are recorded by male/female. And actually, it's the opposite. Crimes are now being recorded as committed by female.... when it should be male.

[pixie374]

This is kind of the point, mozz... these changes are being pushed by mostly males, who claim they identify as female, but without obviously understanding what that means. And why would they?
The answer is for things that have been categorised as being sex-differentiated to remain that way, because those reasons haven't changed. And neither have the sexes.
The problem with taking it too literally, is that it allows men (or women) access to these places, because they say so.

[Zacs-Master]

'because of the effect it has on our society'

In what ways, exactly?

[Mozz71]

Pixie, I guess the obvious answer would be the gradual fading out of communial changing areas in gyms/swimming pools etc. Most swimming pools I've visited have been equipped with individual changing rooms (also safer for leaving belongings in).

[Theland]

Pixie @ 14:25 - yes, real fear.
I don't want the females in my family putting at risk.

[pixie374]

Maybe... it isn't just those though, mozz. How about public toilets, women's meetings and classes... Girls are getting thrown out of Guides for being tomboys, while feminine boys are allowed in (yes, really). How about men competing in women's sports? What about the men demanding smear tests?
Why are we going back centuries and wanting to reduce women to being a stereotype or just a costume, when they have fought so hard and come so far?
I honestly can't imagine doing this to black people and expecting a good outcome.... the hypocrisy is awful.

[MartinMillar]

Theland how are the females in your family at risk?

[pixie374]

Tell us, theland... instead if calling them names?

[pixie374]

Gulliver.... if it has no effect on anyone else... nobody would even have noticed. In fact, it only works if it affects everyone.

[Theland]

Risk - Men posing as women = risk.

[Mozz71]

All good, valid questions Pixie, and all ones which should be addressed by the people in charge of the individual things raised. All I can say is that I believe that people shouldn't be judged on what might happen, otherwise all men would be considered potential attackers or rapists. Tora says that he is against non-binary people because it changes society. Perhaps that isn't such a bad thing and society needs that change. Just as we've moved on in terms of women's rights from the 80 years ago, now we have another hurdle that needs to be overcome.

[Mamyalynne]

When you hear some of the things said you start to wonder whether Joestar will be a lot safer over here.

[Zacs-Master]

I think Tora feels society is being weakened through us accommodating non binary / transgender people.

There were undoubtedly blokes in pubs who spouted the same cobblers about women being given the vote.

I think Ned Ludd is his role model.