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Why Do We Tolerate These Morons?
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Just start pumping concrete in, they come out. We always seem to pussy foot about when the solution is simple and obvious.
Just start pumping concrete in, they come out. We always seem to pussy foot about when the solution is simple and obvious.
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They should chuck some of those birds from Greenham Common down the tunnels. They'd frighten anyone off. shudder
10:28 Wed 27th Jan 2021
ladyjanine: "NJ the lines we already have could be upgraded. No need to despoil other areas" - so you've examined the old line then have you? How would you double it's capacity? That's what HS2 is for not the speed improvement. Every train using the old line is chocker, there is no more capicity. The same people with their heads in the sand over this are probably the same ones moaning that the north is neglected, open your eyes.
//NJ the lines we already have could be upgraded. No need to despoil other areas.//
No they cannot, Lady J. The East Coast and West Coast main lines are running (in normal times) at their total capacity for much of the day. There are no more "paths" available and trains are running at their minimum headways most of the time. The WCML (which HS2 will mainly supplement) has gone through two periods of major upgrading in the last sixty years. Both lasted over a decade, were enormously expensive and tremendously disruptive - and they have maximised capacity as far as was practically possible. Trains run over those routes at 100mph plus at five minute intervals (the maximum that can be achieved safely) and the express trains have to be interwoven with local and freight services. There is simply no more "upgrading" that can be done. You need to read up on railway technology and development, Lady J (which I have been doing for much of my life).
No they cannot, Lady J. The East Coast and West Coast main lines are running (in normal times) at their total capacity for much of the day. There are no more "paths" available and trains are running at their minimum headways most of the time. The WCML (which HS2 will mainly supplement) has gone through two periods of major upgrading in the last sixty years. Both lasted over a decade, were enormously expensive and tremendously disruptive - and they have maximised capacity as far as was practically possible. Trains run over those routes at 100mph plus at five minute intervals (the maximum that can be achieved safely) and the express trains have to be interwoven with local and freight services. There is simply no more "upgrading" that can be done. You need to read up on railway technology and development, Lady J (which I have been doing for much of my life).
from the indy article:
//HS2 will take express trains off the West Coast Main Line that links London with Birmingham and the cities of the northwest; the Midland Main Line that links London with the East Midlands and Sheffield; and to an extent the East Coast Main Line that goes up to Leeds and Newcastle. That frees up capacity across a huge swathe of the country for local services, and it’s the whole rationale behind the project. That the government hasn’t been explaining this ad nauseum is inexcusable.// - the government perhaps should have been explaining it better but they probably thought that people would struggle to get past the speed aspects and ignore capacity. HS2 means that the fast stuff can be separate from the stopping trains and thus increase capacity for both.
//HS2 will take express trains off the West Coast Main Line that links London with Birmingham and the cities of the northwest; the Midland Main Line that links London with the East Midlands and Sheffield; and to an extent the East Coast Main Line that goes up to Leeds and Newcastle. That frees up capacity across a huge swathe of the country for local services, and it’s the whole rationale behind the project. That the government hasn’t been explaining this ad nauseum is inexcusable.// - the government perhaps should have been explaining it better but they probably thought that people would struggle to get past the speed aspects and ignore capacity. HS2 means that the fast stuff can be separate from the stopping trains and thus increase capacity for both.
It's never been about 'capacity' - it's been a vanity project to provide (marginally) shorter journey times for few well-heeled travellers - in fact it may *decrease* capacity on some existing routes as slots are given over to the new trainsets.
Page 3 of this document is interesting - especially the conclusion at the bottom :
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Page 3 of this document is interesting - especially the conclusion at the bottom :
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SD: "It's never been about 'capacity' - it's been a vanity project to provide (marginally) shorter journey times for few well-heeled travellers " - no it's not, read the evidence, read the article above. They should have called it something other than HS2 then people would not have been distracted away from the real purpose.
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